The home wrecker is on Oprah today

[apples and oranges]

John Edward's mistress and baby mama, Rielle. She says she's not a homewrecker though.

[Arkana]

1. Rielle Hunter's a homewrecker,

but John Edwards is a massive, MASSIVE tool.

[madokie]

5. Sounds like both of them could be considered as whores

one is no better than the other.

[WinkyDink]

76. I believe Edwards is the home-wrecker.

[DemoTex]

165. I'm agreeing 100% with WinkyDink

Reille was an unprincipled enabler. That home was gonna be wrecked, Reille or no Reille.

[GodlessBiker]

2. Oh, I thought you meant Jesse James.

[virgogal]

3. He's the home wrecker IMHO. Let's put the blame where the blame belongs.

[Iggo]

7. Nah, they both knew he was married.

They both are to blame.

[Kookaburra]

8. Exactly!

It's not like she didn't know who he was. And he's just as big a skank as she is. If he wanted some strange he should have divorced his wife first.

This whole thing stinks. The only thing good to come out of this is that poor little girl.

[arthritisR_US]

I so agree! n/t

[Lucky 13]

9. It's not Rielle Hunter's job to keep his marriage vows.

Just saying.

[arthritisR_US]

28. respectfully, I have to disagree. By virtue of him being married should have

set of the internal "don't touch" signals...clearly she doesn't have any moral fiber to speak of.

[Texasgal]

33. I don't think so..

I don't get why it's so hard for him to keep his dick in his pants even if she is throwing out the signals? It was HIS marriage and HIS wife and family...not hers! She obviously never gave a shit about that apparently!

[Bert]

84. How self serving

So I guess you would have no trouble having sex with a married man if you felt like it. After all, your not married only he is. Would it be just as blameless for an unmarried man to have sex with a married woman, after all he is not married to the man she is so he is not breaking any vows. I have more respect for a whore.

[Toasterlad]

105. Why On Earth Would a Person Who Took NO Vows Be Responsible In ANY Way?

And yes, of COURSE it's "just as blameless" for a unmarried man to have sex with a married woman.

No one else is responsible for preserving the vows YOU made. YOU made the committment, YOU are responsible for keeping it. You may not like unmarried people who fuck married people, but they aren't to blame for breaking up any marriage.

If you can't keep your committments, don't make them. And if you break your committments, don't try and shift the blame to someone else.

[seabeyond]

113. i guess a person who sees no responsibility or compassion for fellow man can feel that way

thankfully there are plenty of people in this world that are not so self involved.

[Toasterlad]

119. Thank You For Once Again Proving the Old Adage: "If Seabeyond Disagrees With You, You're Right"

I trust the rest of you will take notice. This debate is officially over.

[seabeyond]

121. or... it is a discussion board and i disagree openly with what you are saying....

and expressed my view.

OMG, the end of the world.

[Toasterlad]

125. No, the Point Is That You Are ALWAYS Wrong. So If You Take a Position, It's Automatically Incorrect

Therefore, there's no point in discussing it.

[seabeyond]

135. ah. bottom line. hurt someone purposely is wrong. hurt someone purposely is not wrong

i think it is wrong to purposely hurt another

yet you say

that i am wrong. and am always wrong. therefore, you automatically take opposite view

deep thinking there.

[4 t 4]

148. no need to be so snarky which is a Big prob on du n/t

[Gwendolyn]

126. The vows that I took with my husband... the promises we made to raise our daughter together...

are ours completely. We've agreed to be each other's backbone, to trust and rely on each other totally, with our lives if it comes down it. On top of the passion and hotness etc of course.. Whatever pact we've made with each other belongs to us only. Not a day goes by that nice looking men don't make advances and it's up to me, and me solely, to hold my values and promises dear. Same goes for him. Nobody can break your vows but you yourself. And methinks that those who protest too much in wanting to shift the blame to the trashy woman, are not particularly secure in their own relationships.

All that to say, I agree with your assessment completely.

[seabeyond]

136. no shift there gwen. we simply call her trashy along with you. and hold edwards to breaking of vow

looking like you are saying about the same as everyone else. go figure.

[Gwendolyn]

143. Then you did not understand my post, or have not read most of the thread.

Just because I refer to Druck as trashy does not mean that I blame her for breaking up the marriage. (Even though it's none of my business and I have no say in who or what is to blame in that relationship.) Most of the posts here imply that she had something to do with it. I don't buy it. I can walk into any bar and 25 trashy and non-trashy guys will eagerly help me break my vows. It's my responsibility to see that doesn't happen. Not theirs. So no, I'm not saying what you and others are saying at all.

[inna]

153. You sound very cool and... very HOT at the same time! :)

Totally meant as a compliment (in case it wasn't clear). :thumbsup:

[4 t 4]

147. right on! They both suck equally n/t

[WinkyDink]

79. Totally disagree. HE TOUCHED. HE PURSUED HER. IT WAS HIS HOTEL ROOM. WHO HAD THAT KEY?

[seabeyond]

44. to purposely commit an act that will hurt another person. a person you dont know. a

person that has done nothing to you, is a piece of shit

[northernlights]

91. and if he'd invited Rielle Hunter to help him rob a bank

and she chose to go along with it, would that not make her, by definition, a BANK ROBBER?

It may not be her job to make JE keep his marriage vows, but it also is not her job to help him destroy them.

They are both home-wreckers. She just happens to be the one who was on Oprah. I'm sure when JE appears on Oprah to defend his cheating on his dying wife, then there will be a thread about how the other home-wrecker was on Oprah.

Just saying.

[Mad_Dem_X]

101. +1. Both are to blame.

[Toasterlad]

106. That's the Most Asinine "Argument" I've Ever Heard.

Robbery is a CRIME. Adultery is not. Marriage is a contract between two people, that by definition does NOT involve any other person. It's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone else to break that contract.

A person who makes NO vows, NO committment, is not in the least responsible for the failure of someone else to keep their vows and committments.

[northernlights]

109. way to miss the point, dude

Nobody suggested Hunter is responsible for Edwards bad choices.

She is, however, responsible for HER choice, one which was certain to inflict suffering on others for her own selfish gratification.

(and again I get the sense that somebody has in their own life chosen to have an affair with a married person, thereby inflicting pain and suffering on somebody else's spouse and wife...and now needs to defend that pathetic loser behavior)

And, btw, just for the record -- adultery still is a crime on the books in some places. And "alienation of affection" lawsuits against "the other party" do occasional make the news.

[Toasterlad]

110. I Don't Know Where To Start.

I guess I'll just explain it to you real simple-like:

The point of the OP is that the woman is partly responsible for breaking up Edward's marriage.

The reality is the woman is INCAPABLE of having any effect on Edward's mariage, because she didn't make ANY vows or committments to Elizabeth Edwards.

Yeah, you see how you dim.

And I'm sorry to have to inform you that your insinuated seventh-rate psychoanalysis could not be more wrong. As a gay man, it's extremely unlikely that I could have ever "chosen to have an affair with a married person", since my hypothetical paramour COULDN'T BE MARRIED in the vast majority of the country, and definitely not where I live. In any case, no, I've never had sex with a married individual. This may be hard for you to understand, but some people are capable of reasoning logically without having to put their dick in someone. Just because I wouldn't have sex with a married person doesn't mean I stupidly believe that I'd be responsible for ruining someone's marriage if I did.

[northernlights]

111. um, yes your paramour *could* be married

You think gay men have never married women before? I can think of a few who have, including one I knew who married and raised children with his wife before coming out.


The woman is partly responsible for the breakup of the marriage. She stuck her nose in it. Just like in the supposedly irrelevent example I used, the bank robber may not have gone through with the robbery without his partner in crime.

Sorry, not sure the meaning of "you see how you dim." Don't bother explaining.

[Toasterlad]

116. Thanks For the Lecture On Gay People. Always Nice When Straight People Take the Time To Educate Us.

Don't worry. I wouldn't DREAM of trying to explain anything further to such an obviously enlightened individual such as yourself, who has such a firm grasp on reality.

I'll just say a silent prayer that your marriage survives the countless people who are empowered to reduce it to rubble at their slightest whim. If only you and your spouse were capable of keeping your fragile vows despite such constant temptation from every passing dick or tit! What a cruel world it can be.

[northernlights]

129. happily I'm single

so I don't have to worry about such problems. But having watched multiple marriages fail around me for nearly 60 years now, I know better than to believe the fairy tale that marriages exist in a bubble wrap of true love and, as such, as totally immune to the external forces of life.

In fact, I dinstinctly remember my one sister telling me that she and our other sister had concluded that while they would never know whether or not their first marriages would have made it without my parent's continually interference, with my parent's interference they never stood a chance.

No, I don't believe that marriages don't crumble at the "slightest whim" of other's interference. But marriage is effing hard work and relationships have more vulnerable times and less vulnerable times. Interference by others during the more vulnerable times -- particularly interference specifically intended to destroy the marriage -- absolutely can succeed in destroying it.

Hunter set out to "catch" Edwards. That wasn't a "slightest whim." It was a goal with intention. She set out to get him and she tried to get him to dump Elizabeth and marry her. Hell, they even planned for what they'd do after Elizabeth died.

And I wasn't lecturing you on gay people. YOU are the one who claimed that you couldn't possibly have an affair with a married person because you're gay. I simply advised you that being gay is in no way a hindrance to either 1. being married, or 2. having an affair wih a married peron. It's simple personal experience -- I happen to know gay people who have done both. :shrug:

But I do commend you for CHOOSING NOT to get involved with a married man. It simply makes a mess of everyone's lives.

[sabrina 1]

146. She is responsible for her attacks on a family that did nothing to her.

And no, the comparison is NOT asinine, it is a perfect analogy. Since the defense of this woman is that she cannot be blamed for HER actions, since it was HE who had the contract. If the robber was a vice president at the bank, would that exonerate his accessory since he is the one with a contract that no one else can break?

She was an accessory to the destruction of a family and worse, now that she and her 'lover' succeeded she won't just shut up and leave them alone.

Every time she opens her mouth and lies about the Edwards family, she indicts herself.

You are like so many people who believe that a poor, helpless woman couldn't do the right thing because her actions are the fault of someone else.

It would be interesting also to find out who contacted the National Enquirer about this affair. She wanted it public, he didn't for obvious reasons. And she got what she wanted.

[Toasterlad]

163. It's Unfortunate That You Don't Understand the Difference Between a Bank Robbery and an Affair.

You're clearly not cut out for legal practice.

And I can assure you that I'm not easily swayed by "poor, helpless women". My position would be exactly the same if it was Elizabeth Edwards who'd had the affair, and her boy toy was jackassing it up on national TV. SHE would be at fault for wrecking her marriage, since SHE'S the one who made the vows.

Since all you people so eager to shift the blame from where it actually belongs have felt free to psychoanalyze me, allow me to retain the favor: I suspect that the vast majority of you have been cheated on at some point, and remain very angry at the person with whom your SO cheated; angry because they were clearly able to give your SO something that you were not. You can be as angry as you want at them, but THEY didn't BETRAY you. Your SO betrayed you.

[LaydeeBug]

172. Robbing a bank is a VIOLENT CRIME. Being a CONSENTING ADULT in private with ANOTHER CONSENTING ADULT

is NOT a VIOLENT CRIME. Nope. No dice. They are HIS vows, and HIS ALONE to break. A bank involves a corporation watching several individuals valuable things. A marriage is between TWO PEOPLE (and TWO PEOPLE ALONE) Druck is sleezy, but she didn't break a damn thing. John Edwards did.

[Crystal Clarity]

10. No, HE is to blame for ruining his marriage. Period.

However, I'm watching Oprah right now and this woman does seem to take an unseemingly amount of glee in all of this. Something about her affect stikes me as being very off

[Kookaburra]

15. They deserve each other

[Captain Hilts]

16. He couldn't have done it all by himself. They're BOTH guilty. nt

[arthritisR_US]

30. hear, hear! n/t

[sabrina 1]

57. No, SHE is to blame for her cruel and nasty behavior

towards a women who was dying. SHE said the words she said about that woman, who she did not know, leaving them in the public domain for that woman's children, already devastated I'm sure by their mother's illness, to have to endure reading or hearing about.

She is fully grown adult woman, why would you want to let her off the hook? She has demonstrated that she is a nasty, cruel woman, self-indulgent with no thought for the children involved who did nothing to her, including the one she is raising. She has used her own child to further her own interests and was told in no uncertain terms what people think of someone who would do that. Yet, she continues to do it.

I don't get why you would want to absolve this selfish conniving cruel woman from any blame in the harm that has come to the Edwards children and their mother as a result of her participation in the actions of their father. He didn't do it alone, did he? If married men had a more difficult time finding women like this more than willing to indulge them, maybe they'd be forced to go get a divorce before they start fooling around. But as long as their bimbos like this one, there will be men like Edwards.

[WinkyDink]

78. You're serious? Rielle is not nice, given, but HE is the "bimbo".

[sabrina 1]

87. This thread was about her.

She continues to foist herself on the American people apparently so delusional she thinks she can gain some kind of respect from them. I hope she read the hundreds of comments attached to her ridiculous and embarrassing (for her) 'interview' last month. That ought to have given her an idea of what the public thinks of her.

She is a bimbo, and yes, I am serious. Apparently you seriously believe that women are so fragile that they bear no responsibility for their own actions. Well, I beg to differ. Women are not delicate flowers who are led astray by men. They make conscious decisions, just as men do fyi.

She made a conscious decision to go after a married man, then she decided to trash his family, to presume to know what their 30 year marriage was all about, which involved the birth of four children, the death of one, none of whom she knew or cared about.

Like all cheaters, she has deluded herself because of her huge ego, into believing that a man who would cheat on his sick wife was only waiting for her, perfect being that she believes herself to be, and that he will not cheat on her. Delusional, selfish, and yes, cruel to the Edwards children and their mother and she is fully responsible for what she did. She is a despicable human being.

He is another story and was not the subject of this thread.

[Tailormyst]

132. Of course this thread is about her

The whole thing is just so typical. It's like that girl and her friends that you see every week on springer or people's court or heck, maybe even your neighbors who go after the girl who cheated with their boyfriend with far more aggression then they EVER go after with the actual one who cheated on them.

Yes, she shouldn't have been involved with a married man. But I honestly don't see the amount of venom spewing at him that I see aimed at her and frankly, that is fucked up.

[sabrina 1]

134. If you haven't seen the venom 'spewed at him' then you

haven't been paying attention. What astounds me is the defense of women like this who are as predatory as any man.

The reason for the 'venom' against HER is her own words and her cruelty towards a woman who did NOTHING to her, a woman who is dying of cancer and whose three children are no doubt devastated by this woman's attacks on their mother in an attempt, failed obviously by the universal reaction to her every time she shows her face in the media, to make herself look good.

I put myself in the place of the family. I cannot imagine what I would feel about a woman like this smearing my dying mother in public, claiming to know my family's history personally.

What I do know is that after reading her interview, I do NOT know how Elizabeth Edwards has endured, not just the betrayal by her worthless husband, but to have this poisonous woman in the background, now out in public, dragging her family, that she put her life into raising, through the gutter every chance she gets.

I gained a new respect for Elizabeth Edwards after learning a little more about this frightening character because I doubt very much many women would have been as restrained as she has been should such a person be brought into their lives. Any stories, now we know where they came from, of Elizabeth's 'anger' were fully explained to me when I found out what kind of nasty, disturbed individual her despicable husband brought into all of their lives.

Some things stand alone. Women who fall in love with married men are not the issue here, THIS WOMAN is the issue. Not all women who fall for married men go around causing trouble for their wives and children, smearing them and pretending to have knowledge of their personal lives. She has assaulted that family verbally every chance she gets.

This woman is someone no family should have inflicted on them, least of all the Edwards children who were raised beautifully by their mother, and father presumably at one time. IF I were Elizabeth, my greatest anger at this point against her dishonest, cheating, and cruel husband would not just be that he cheated, but at WHO he chose to drag into their personal lives.

I hope if Elizabeth does not survive, that their oldest daughter will get custody of the two younger children because the very thought of this woman even being near children let alone Elizabeth's, is a thought too awful to contemplate.

HIS punishment will be that for the rest of his life, he will have to deal with her. I can't imagine a more just punishment for a cheating husband. She is a real-life 'fatal attraction' who he cannot get away from or he risks having her testify against him in court.

[seabeyond]

137. ignore the obvious. she was on oprah, hence brought up the subject

geez

[inna]

140. Yeah, there is definitely something wrong about her affect.

I didn't watch the interview, I just saw excerpts on MSNBC this morning, but I got the same impression as you did. She almost seems vaguely sociopathic.

No wonder she was an "inspiration" for the Alison Poole character:

Literary inspiration

"Brat Pack" novelist Jay McInerney said that his former-girlfriend Hunter is the basis for the lead character Alison Poole, "an ostensibly jaded, sexually voracious 20-year-old," in the 1988 novel Story of My Life. McInerney described their relationship and Hunter's role as the inspiration for the character in an interview in 2005. McInerney also said that he chose to write about her and her friends because he was both "intrigued and appalled" by their behavior.
...
The Huffington Post sums the character up as follows: "Alison isn't easy to like. When we first meet her, she's an STD-carrying slut who cons her latest lover into giving her money by telling him she needs an abortion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rielle_Hunter

[texastoast]

17. Agreed

The woman should have prevented pregnancy, and so should John.

Generally, I put the blame on the cheating spouse because a cheat will cheat, no matter who the other party might be. If one won't cheat, the cheater will find someone who will.

But this woman apparently had a plan.

[WinkyDink]

77. Which one made the vows? Which one told the lies? Can't blame the candy for being fat.

[CTLawGuy]

93. a marriage is like a contract.

if a contract is broken by one person with the help of a third person, the other person may be able to sue not only the person breaking the contract, but also the third person who assisted, for something called "tortious interference".

What I mean to say by that is that we as a society recognize that someone in Hunter's position did something wrong(I'm not that Elizabeth could or should SUE Rielle Hunter). If she knew that he was married, which she did, she had a moral duty not to assist him in breaking his marriage vows.

[Toasterlad]

107. A Marriage Isn't LIKE a Contract. A Marriage IS a Contract.

Care to post any precedent where someone has successfully sued a third person for breaking up a marriage contract, Counselor?

[CTLawGuy]

152. care to point out where I said anyone COULD.

smart ass?

[sabrina 1]

156. Sure, here's one: "Wife's $9M Message to Mistresses: 'Lay Off'"

North Carolina woman sues alleged mistress under "alienation of affection" law.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And the husband was a lawyer too. You'd think he'd have known something about the laws of the state he lives in.

So much for the 'no third party can break up a contract'. The jury believed otherwise.

[Toasterlad]

162. Your Link Doesn't Work.

[sabrina 1]

166. Sorry about that ~ trying again

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8249286

It works for me now. Anyhow, a wife recently was awarded 9 million dollars when a jury decided her husband's mistress did contribute to the break-up of the marriage.

[Toasterlad]

167. Ah. I Stand Corrected.

Apparently, you CAN be held accountable in seven states for breaking a contract that you didn't sign, forsaking a vow that you never swore, and betraying a committment that you never took.

Well, since there are many states that have made it constitutionally illegal for two people who love each other to get married just because some 2,000 year old children's book says not to, I guess anything is possible in the stupid, backwards-ass country.

[Iggo]

108. They conspired together to cheat on his wife.

Each is 100% responsible for his/her part in breaking up that marriage.

[Shell Beau]

112. True, but she owed his family nothing.

He, OTOH, had a dying wife and small children at home.

[seabeyond]

114. i dont agree. tell me shell, do you feel comfortable hurting perfect strangers because you "owe"

them nothing?

i dont "owe" anyone anything. it doesnt stop me from purposely and consciously not hurting others by my action

[Shell Beau]

118. I agree with that. But he was the one

who was to be a faithful husband to his wife in sickness and health. He was the one who could be running for POTUS. What she did was terrible, but it pales in comparison to what he did to his family, and possibly the democratic party.

[seabeyond]

122. the show was on her, her interview. so we are talking about her. NO ONE

is clueless about edwards behavior.

i have yet to hear, oh poor john, couldnt help himself being seduced by this woman.

everyone knows edwards part in it.

i see them both as trashy people

[Scout]

32. yup, HE's the one who broke the vows....

they are both still low life sluts, but John's the "homewrecker."

[seabeyond]

43. both of them have a part in it. both lack a moral compass. nt

[Iggo]

127. I completely agree.

See #108.

[Tailormyst]

133. Absolutely

It's infuriating to know he may have been our candidate, especially for those of us who supported him. He was not what he said he was AT all.

[seabeyond]

138. that is a whole other subject adn thread. at a time we needed dem in whitehouse only

surpassed by 2004 needing kerry.... he was willing to throw that away for a nation for his ego.

i really dont give it shit about the three peoples person life. it is absolutely his willingness to fuck the nation for his own wants.

[Tailormyst]

150. Yup- we would have had a mccain//palin presidency and THAT is scary shit

[seabeyond]

151. man... i needed to edit that but ran out of the house after typing. sorry

but i guess you got the essense of what i was saying, lol

[Tailormyst]

160. Yup yup !

[sabrina 1]

55. I think a woman of her age is perfectly capable of

understanding what she is doing. You seem to believe that women should be held blameless for the kind of sneaky, nasty, selfish, dishonest behavior exhibited by this middle-aged woman who if she didn't know better at her age, is not likely to learn.

Women don't need to be protected from blame when they do the kind of thing she did. She is not a baby, or even a teen-ager, she was a middle-aged woman who made a very bad and selfish decision, giving no thought to the lives she was helping to destroy. I am sick of women like this being given a pass. She is a nasty, selfish woman who has said things about a dying woman that no one with any sense of decency would even think.

Her behavior is completely separate from Edwards'. She should stand on her own and not hide behind what he did. SHE was 100% responsible for her behavior and her own disgusting and cruel words about a dying woman whose children I hope never got to read them. Do women a favor, and stop protecting women like this.

What is she doing on television for example? Is Edwards responsible for that? She wants the attention and the money she hopes to make, using a child to do it. She is a sad excuse for a human being and thankfully is not representative of women in general.

As for Edwards, he is a whole other case which I would be more than happy to discuss. But SHE doesn't get to hide behind HIM.

[CBR]

59. I totally agree! HE is the main problem here. HE was the one

who was married and tried to deny his own child. He acted like a complete scumbag.

[seabeyond]

68. he broke his vows and an sob. and she is trash. not a tough one. nt

[Lucky Luciano]

72. I'm with you - only the married one is to blame. nt

[Ohio Joe]

83. You are correct. - nt

[Codeine]

4. She hadn't taken a vow to love, honor, and cherish.

The responsibility in that situation was with Edwards, not with Hunter.

[Bert]

85. This is off the subject

I was thinking of starting a new band. Which would be better, crystal meth or intravenous drug use? How about dead crack babies?

[asjr]

6. It is all about money.

[Texasgal]

11. How does she become the homewrecker???

How about Edwards? He couldn't seem to control his dick!

[Captain Hilts]

14. Yes, he is, but he's not on Oprah saying he's not a homewrecker. nt

[Texasgal]

19. Nope... he just denied the affair

for a looong time as well as the baby it produced.

He's a pig.

[Captain Hilts]

36. Yes, he is. nt

[Angry Dragon]

23. He already told his lies

when he denied it and had someone else take the fall for it.

[Missy Vixen]

18. They both made a choice

She went after a married man.

He not only took her up on it, he didn't use protection, as evidenced by the birth of a child.

Her willingness to appear on network TV and claim she's "not a homewrecker" turns my stomach. In other words, she's attempting to rehabilitate her reputation. For both of them to do this to a dying woman (not to mention the three other children affected,) is beyond comprehension.

[Texasgal]

25. Oh, I am not saying she is not complicit

she most definitely needs to take some responsibility. I'm just saying he has much to do with it all as well.

[Missy Vixen]

37. Absolutely

He might want to acquaint himself with the use of a condom.

I can only hope that the third party involved stopped sleeping with him a long time ago.

[unc70]

42. She became one when she "stalked" him and set her sights on him

Not taking any responsibility away from Edwards. I can not fathom why he got involved with Hunter, of all people.

But Hunter is definitely a homewrecker by anyone's definition. If it were not for other various serious risks from the Republican holderover Federal prosecutor here in NC, I suspect we would have seen very different version of things.

Hunter is a complete loose cannon, whose self-centered actions and need for attention poison much of what she gets near.

Remember the movie "Fatal Attraction". Now add in a Federal grand jury and nationwide publicity. And a baby. You don't walk away from women like "Alex Forrest" or Rielle Hunter/Lisa Druck/"Alison Poole". You should RUN, if you still have a chance.

[Texasgal]

48. It was HIS marriage and HIS family.

Yeah, she's a disgusting, sick woman...but that dosn't absolve Edwards from breaking his vows to his wife. In my opinion, HE's the homewrecker. She obviously didn't give a shit.

[unc70]

49. In NC she can be sued for "alienation of affection" & likely lose. = homewrecker

By definition, a "homewrecker" is the person from outside the marriage. Not a matter of who to blame or who acted stupidly, inappropriately, and worse. A homewrecker is the outsider.

NC still has the antiquated legal concept of "stealing" someone else's spouse. Quite a few cases make it to court even now. While the last thing I would want to see is this in court, if EE sued Hunter, Hunter would probably lose the case and be subject to damages.

BTW The store of Elizabeth Edwards here in Chapel Hill was vandalized this week. Not clear yet whether it was targeted or just random.

[Deep13]

12. Oprah has a talent for bringing us uninteresting, irrelevant information.

If there was a college of Whogivesashitology, she would be a doctoral candidate.

[LanternWaste]

22. And we'd all be using our time...

"If there was a college of Whogivesashitology..."

And we'd all be using our time posting about how much it's a waste of our time...

[Deep13]

34. Yeah, but there isn't an entertainment empire devoted to it! nt

[LanternWaste]

35. Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

Six of one, half a dozen of the other I would imagine

A dedicated complaint about others wasting their time is still half a dozen of the other. But I imagine we all justify our own wastes of time in one way or another.

[Deep13]

39. Two points.

1. Even if you are right, Oprah is still dredging up irrelevant, sensationalist shit.

2. More like six of one or eighty-five thousand railroad cars of another. This whole complain took less than five minutes. How much money and person-hours does Oprah's show and magazines require. How many million idle hours are spent by viewers getting intellectually poorer from the experience?

[Captain Hilts]

13. Live and learn. nt

[ET Awful]

20. Because after all, he bears no responsibility for dipping his wick in her.

It's all her fault.

He's the homewrecker, nobody but him made him go out and find someone to cheat with.

[Zoeisright]

21. Who. The. Fuck. Cares.

That is the last thing we need to worry about.

[YOY]

40. +1000000

n/t

[racaulk]

168. Seriously!

In the grand scheme of things, this is sooooo unimportant.

[City Lights]

24. It takes TWO to wreck a home. Is John "homewrecker" Edwards on too?

I :puke: on both of them.

[Roon]

26. BULLSHIT!

It take two to tango. John wrecked that home just as much as his mistress did. They are BOTH homewrecking pieces of shit.

[WI_DEM]

27. Sounds like you're placing all the blame on Hunter--John Edwards had a say too.

He had a will--if she was tempting him--he didn't have to succumb.

[babylonsister]

29. So she's screwing a married man, presidential candidate, and neither

of them used birth control and didn't care? Why does that not sound truthful to me?

[Webster Green]

31. Kill your TeeVee.

Seriously.

[Uzybone]

38. Edwards is the homewrecker...he shit on his wife and family

and on his gullible supporters as well.

[gateley]

41. I was just going to ask "John Edwards?" -- I agree, he's the homewrecker. nt

[tammywammy]

45. I disagree, he's the home wrecker. n/t

[cali]

46. oh. my. god. she's like a parody of the selfish, stupid, sociopathic

bitch. and yeah, I used the word bitch.

sick piece of shit. I so pity that kid.

[apples and oranges]

70. The interview didn't do Rielle any favors

I had a neutral opinion of her going into the interview. I walked away from the interview thoroughly disgusted. Selfish, self centered, narcisstic, just like JE. They are a match made in hell.

[liquid diamond]

71. I was going to call her the same thing, but I know some

crybaby would get my post deleted.

[backwoodsbob]

47. the home wrecker was JE

he wasn't forced to screw her at gunpoint

[Captain Hilts]

50. She knew he was married. They're both homewreckers. nt

[WinterParkDonkey]

51. My 2 cents.....

Firstly, everyone should read The Politician. It reads like a Greek Tragedy.

Secondly, I have worked closely for over 30 years with some men that were extremely handsome, extremely sexy, extremely intelligent, extremely powerful, and finally EXTREMELY MARRIED. Despite this, never once did I think of doing the "wild thing" and trying to seduce them...even when I was a lot younger. Sorry, you just don't do such a thing and if that sounds old fashioned sorry. I feel terrible for Elizabeth Edwards and especially for their children.

[Captain Hilts]

53. Good on you. I feel the same way. nt

[JanMichael]

67. I agree with you both. He is scum, she isn't very different.

He was a long time with children married adult and made gigantic mistakes. She knew he was married, was an adult, and played along or even encouraged the idiocy.

Both are not without extreme tattoos of TACKY and SELFISH and STUPID on them.

Hell if it had all been handled in an adult and private manner they both may have made it through this not smelling like shit.

[PSzymeczek]

157. Bingo! They're both homewreckers.

They're both equally guilty. And Elizabeth and the kids are the victims.

[mdmc]

52. meh

Edwaards is over..

[Whisp]

54. o, John Edwards was on Oprah?

he's the one that wrecked his home.
homewrecker is a throwback sexist phrase from an era we should be glad to be away from.

feh.

[Robeson]

56. For pure entertainment value, there's nothing like a John Edwards thread

...on DU...:popcorn:

[jmowreader]

58. Terrorists say they're not terrorists, too

Bad guys tend not to tell people they're bad guys, okay? Of COURSE she says she's not a homewrecker. Did you expect otherwise?

[Tailormyst]

60. John Edwards is the homewrecker

John Edwards is the one who made a vow to Elizabeth.

So often women judge other women harsher then the men who do the cheating.

[tonysam]

64. It takes two. And Druck was the one who initiated it.

She deserves more criticism because she KNEW JRE was married. Nobody put a fucking gun to her head.

I despise excuses for her.

[Tailormyst]

65. John Edwards was married. John Edwards cheated. John Edwards broke up his own family.

He is not a victim.

[City Lights]

95. John knew he was married, too! And nobody put a fucking gun to his head!

I despise excuses for him.

:puke: on both of them.

[seabeyond]

99. not a single persn is making excuses for him. the one or the other argument never works for me

the brain is capable of saying, edwards is a piece of shit, this woman is a piece of shit without there being a mass explosion in brain....

[unc70]

73. Homewrecker is the outsider taking someone already in a relationship

Hunter/Druck is a homewrecker. John Edwards, by definition, is not a "homewrecker". There are lots of other terms he deserves that are even stronger, but not "homewrecker", per se.

[tonysam]

61. She's a sociopath, period. I don't call her "Rielle," but Lisa Jo Druck,

her real name.

If I want to hear somebody talking about gossip, I want Kitty Kelley to dish the dirt on Oprah.

[WinkyDink]

81. Do you call Edwards by HIS given name, Johnny Reid Edwards? Rielle does.

[KonaKane]

62. What's next, "foul temptress"?

"Strumpet"? "Adultress"?

Come on, this isnt the middle ages anymore. Hopefully we've grown beyond such terminology and realized it takes two to tango.

[WinkyDink]

82. Jezebel! Harlot!

[seabeyond]

94. how about trash. harlot, jezebel are just too cutsey.

[RobinA]

123. Trash It Is

"Harlot" and "Jezebel" are pergorative, but in a sexy way. Harlot especially implies (to me) a woman with special powers of seduction over men. You can call me a harlot, just don't call me trash. Knew a women once who said, "Let's face it, I'm a tart." Actually, she was trash, but I've had a special feeling for "tart" ever since.

[seabeyond]

139. lol lol

yup.

[proud2BlibKansan]

63. I am so sick of this woman and her boyfriend

They both need to go away. Far far away.

[Blue Diadem]

66. I didn't watch but I did see her on a brief commerical for her appearance on the show.

She's an odd bird and I apologize to all birds who may rightly feel offended for being compared to her.

[liquid diamond]

69. Why give this tramp a platform? Go the fuck away "lady".

[Odin2005]

74. Misogynist horseshit.

Edwards is the one who refused to keep it in his pants.

[BlueIris]

144. It's DU, what else do you expect? nt

[bigwillq]

75. Hunter AND J. Edwards were on?

:shrug:

[GoneOffShore]

80. As my dad used to say - It takes two to tango.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

86. I wish all three of them would go away and STFU.

John, Rielle and Elizabeth. Because Elizabeth wanted him to run for President although she KNEW about the affair and the disastrous consequences that would have after the attempted impeachment of Bill Clinton for a consensual blowjob. From what I have read, Elizabeth was more ambitious about him running for president than he was. Too bad they couldn't stay home, count their money, and take care of her illness together.

Oprah can STFU too for all I care.

[Gwendolyn]

88. Who the heck still watches Oprah? n/t

[area51]

89. I think it takes two to wreck a home. (n/t)

[northernlights]

90. when I see people claim Reille is not too blame for her share of this mess

I see people who probably have effed around with somebody else's spouse and now have a need to defend and protect their moral "right" to eff around with whomever they choose.

Don't care if Edwards pursued her to the moon. She had a moral responsibility to say "no" to deliberately and consciously engaging in actions that could only lead to suffering. That's called being an adult.

Seriously, how hard is it to say to someone, "Marriage having problems? Either fix them or end the marriage. But whatever you do choose, don't think I'm the solution to your problems.

And, btw, if you do choose to end it, you can call me AFTER the divorce."

[seabeyond]

92. ya. i see it about the same way. nt

[Tailormyst]

131. I would not say she carried no blame. Just not as MUCH blame as John does.

[Puglover]

96. I worked with a woman who was a serial home wrecker.

Every relationship she had with men had one thing in common. The guy was married. She actually had the gall to come into the office and dab the tears from her eyes when things didn't work out the way she wanted. She was fun to work with but for this huge character flaw. Finally people got sick and tired of the drama and stopped enabling her bullshit by talking with her about it. She went to Atlanta when my office moved down there and friends have said she already has her claws into two of the married guys down there. The story is always "they aren't happy". I don't know about Rielle Hunter but to say that this woman has no culpability into the shit she stirs up would be absurd.

[seabeyond]

100. exactly. we all know women that intent is to behave in this manner. there are even

parts of our society today validating these choices women make. it is bullshit. they live crappy lives. and they hurt others. epople that have dont nothing to them. for no other reason but stroking their ego and assauging whatever fucked up character flaw they developed growing up. at the expense of all others.

it is obvious. women are not fooled. we know these women. a game. nothing more.

[malaise]

97. John Edwards wrecked his own home n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

98. You make it sound like Edwards is a victim.

Edwards is no victim. Indeed, maybe she is.

But here's the basic truth. There are no good guys in this whole sordid thing.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

102. Two pigs, period.

For me it's 50-50, two consenting adults, both trash. It's not "his" fault or "her" fault. It's two pigs who couldn't keep it in their pants.

[WolverineDG]

103. My thoughts: She kept going on & on about how Edwards wanted to be with her because

he wanted her to teach him to be more "authentic."

After she repeated this about 3 times, I started yelling back at the TV "He would have said anything to get into your pants!"

And then that whole "drama" about not disclosing that they had sex the first time they met. From her response, obviously they did.

Both Edwards & Rielle are opportunistic whores. He cheated on his wife, she knew he was married. The only one I feel sorry for is the baby.

dg

[seabeyond]

115. self centernness and self absorption are polar opposites of authentic nature

in such a dynamic way that the are an incredible force pulling opposite.

[RobinA]

124. Gotta Disagree

If a person is self-centered the self-centeredness can certainly be authentic. Frankly, I think Ms. Rielle accomplished her goal quite nicely. She showed us the authentic John Edwards. Thank the Lord it was not while he was the nominee for President.

[WolverineDG]

141. Can you repeat that in English please?

Because from where I sit, both these assholes knew what they were doing was wrong. The only "victim" here is the kid.

dg

[seabeyond]

142. being an authentic self is opposite of self centeredness and self absorbtion

to state she was teaching edwards to be authentic self is a perversion to that journey or quest.

their behavior alone shows they were completely opposite of the authentic self.

it is a whole spiritual enlightment theory. oprah got into it some years ago. that is why this woman brought up she was teaching edward this

[PSzymeczek]

159. You don't feel sorry for the Edwards kids?

They're victims, too.

[WolverineDG]

161. Of course

but they aren't being paraded around like some prize by a psycho-babble talking sociopath like this poor kid is.

dg

[Toasterlad]

104. If Only She Hadn't Held That Gun To Edwards Head And Made Him Cheat On His Wife.

Their happy home would have remained unwrecked.

[seabeyond]

117. again the limited thinking that it can only be one or the other.

what a manipulating way of looking at life

[Toasterlad]

120. If Only You Knew the Meaning of Words

[Orsino]

128. The one who was *not* betraying a spouse and kids or a political following. n/t

[frogmarch]

130. John Edwards is the homewrecker. nt

[earth mom]

145. That beotch Rielle is nothing but a cold calculating lying homewrecking narcissistic piece of shit.

And she proved it to the world in her Oprah interview. :puke:

That said, Edwards is not blameless-he's a piece of shit too.

[cali]

149. she's horrible. he's worse.

took you long enough to figure out that he's not blameless.

[earth mom]

169. I've thought Edwards was a jerk for awhile now. I also think 99% of politicians are

in it solely for what they can get out of their positions and don't give a damn about the majority of us who don't have millions in the bank to buy them off with.

[B Calm]

154. She only wanted to know him a little better. . .

[Book Lover]

155. That people care astonishes, saddens and disgusts me

We. Have. Bigger. Problems.

[lynne]

158. JOHN EDWARDS wrecked that home. He broke his vows and he is the adulterer -

- and I can't imagine anyone wanting to waste their time giving either of them audience.

[Major Hogwash]

164. I thought this thread was about Michele "Bombshell" McGee

Has anyone here ever googled her picture?

[bamacrat]

170. She is not the only one who deserves blame.

Home wrecker? No, star fucker? Yes. He is the home wrecker. She is the wrecking ball. He could have said "No I am married and I love my wife."

[inna]

171. John Edwards is the main responsible party here, period.

BTW, I feel less critical of (more empathetic towards?) Hunter after reading this:

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/politics/201004/rielle-hunter-john-edwards-exclusive-interview?printable=true