School Lets Kids Wear "Straight Pride" Shirts

[Swede]

Students at an Illinois high school wore "Straight Pride" shirts to school Monday, with a Bible quote that recommended punishing homosexuality with death. The kids weren't disciplined — because the school says it was a "teachable moment."

According to KDSK, the three St. Charles North High School students who chose to display their "Straight Pride" on Monday were neither punished nor asked to change, though near the end of the school day, they were asked to cover up the quote on the back: "If a man lay with a male as those who lay with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and shall surely be put to DEATH." Two kids showed up wearing the same shirt the next day, and administrators asked them to cover up with sweatshirts, which they did. But even this was too much for senior Jake Pezzuto, who said, "I don't understand how some students are able to wear 'Gay Pride' shirts while we can't wear shirts that just say 'Straight Pride.'"



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[glinda]

1. School that promotes hate. Great.

:sarcasm:

[jancantor]

8. actually no

It's the exact opposite. If the school could viewpoint discriminate, THEN it would be promoting viewpoints. Since viewpoint discrimination is prohibited (except for narrowly tailored exceptions), it's the exact opposite.

[Matariki]

106. Hello - I would think the DEATH THREAT on the shirt should be problematic enough!

[Drale]

2. Do these religion nuts realize that the bible

actually bans shaving, round hair cuts, touching pigs, shellfish, wearing gold and a bunch of other stuff

[regnaD kciN]

10. I was wondering if those shirts were a cotton-polyester blend...

...because the same passage in Leviticus that condemns sex between two males also condemns wearing garments made from two different types of fabric woven together -- and does so with the exact same vehemence.

[DirkGently]

15. Excellent.

[tomm2thumbs]

18. true, true

[Ignis]

57. +++

Exactly what I was thinking. :toast:

[fishwax]

58. .

:thumbsup:

[blueamy66]

27. But the Biblists (sic) will tell you

that the NT took care of those OT problems....come on...get with the 2010 Christians!

What a bunch of BS.

[BolivarianHero]

59. No you got it all wrong...

If you call them on their BS, they start misdirecting you by ranting about the godless commie War on Christmas.

[muffin1]

38. I tell the nuts all the time. They don't care.

To them, those passages 'just aren't relevant anymore'. Fucking asshats. :puke:

[Johonny]

44. no

they don't read

[ejpoeta]

3. wonder what would happen if other students wore something else...

gay pride shirts that say judge not lest ye be judged or something.

[eleny]

4. Because straight kids are beaten, bullied and murdered by gays so they need to find a sense of pride

:eyes:

[The Wielding Truth]

5. Because Gay pride is righting an injustice. If Whites were

discriminated against in a violent and hateful way only becuase they were white, then they would have a reason to booster their racial pride,but at this time it is the gay society that is targeted for hatred. Christians should understand that!

[madrchsod]

6. st charles is a wealthy suburban city in the chicago metroplex

st charles north high school is in a upper class rural area. goes to show that money does`t equal class...

[d_r]

7. this is where that whole part

about Jesus and the stoning and "he among you who is without sin" thing comes in.

[msongs]

9. cuz gay pride don't call for christian murder of straight people? nt

[MrScorpio]

11. This is no different than "White Pride"

Or, "We're-the-people-who-get-to-establish-'norms'-and-condemn-anyone-else-who's-not-like-us-pride ".

[muffin1]

39. That reminds me of my ex-boss. He was always asking stupid shit

like why there is no 'white channel' on the television. I told him there is...ALL THE OTHER FUCKING CHANNELS.

[Blue_Tires]

56. i knew a guy like that as well

Asked me years ago with a straight face why there was no white counterpart to BET...true story

all i could do was shake my head...

[Better Believe It]

12. America's best Christian explains traditional marriage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw&feature=player_embedded

[The Straight Story]

13. If they didn't have that jewish quote on it I would not be too upset about it

Free speech is one thing, but hate speech from the torah is another.

[Divine Discontent]

14. the kids of that school need apologized to by the administrators there

and if these kids and their parents want to focus on a verse, they need to read the one about judging not, lest ye be judged -or- paying attention to the "whosoever" in John 3:16.

Those kids are bullies, and, sadly & far too often, the school encouraged them!

[Quantess]

16. "Oh help me, I'm a white heterosexual Christian male, and I'm so oppressed!"

Okay, if the shirts had said "STRAIGHT PRIDE" and nothing else, I personally wouldn't see that as a big deal for teenagers to wear, because we all know teenagers can be oppositional. But, any additional comments such as punishing gays to death makes it extremely innapropriate to wear to school.

Especially not at school, where students can't wear Corona beer t-shirts, or any other alcohol t-shirts. No pot-leafs. No gang-jewelry, such as rosaries.
So it's ridiculous that hatred against gays would be allowed on t-shirts.

"Gay Pride" is perfectly acceptable, and "Straight Pride" t-shirts should also be allowed at school, but THAT IS ALL the shirts can say. In my opinion.

I'm tired. I edited to clarify.

[Mimosa]

17. School uniforms would end a lot of this garbage!

I attended Catholic schools, mostly. When I attended public high schol it was amazing how diversionary clothing became. It also separated rich, middle and poor.

Many studies have shown that school uniforms help kids achieve and learn.

In France and Japan kids mostly wear uniforms.

[blondeatlast]

41. This public school mom is 100% in favor. The uniforms I see nowadays are

pretty attractive anyway.

Heck my own son's preference is khaki shorts or jeans and plain tees or polos anyway; he looks better dressed than his peers on any given day--and that's not my influence, even.

[Taitertots]

19. Why does this even matter?

I'm confused as to how anyone can avoid seeing the double standard.

Gay Pride = Good
Straight Pride = Bad

Black Power = Good
White Power = Bad

You should allow either or neither. To pick and choose when it suits your ideology is discrimination.

[Toucano]

21. You're being naive.

White people wearing "White Power" when they have the power is intimidation of the minority.

The slogans "White Power" and "Black Power" are far from being equal.

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[Toucano]

24. May I suggest a history book?

"White Power" and "Black Power" are not the same thing nor are they both "pure racism".

As far as you're concerned, you've got a lot to learn.

[Taitertots]

26. I'm well aware of the history

It doesn't make black supremacists and better than white supremacists.

[Toucano]

28. Black supremacists?

:rofl:

I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you. It's the only polite way one can laugh at the blind.

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[Toucano]

30. No.

Rather than toying with your sophomoric shit, let me set your shit straight.

The white people were not the ones who were told they counted as three-fifths of a PERSON.
The white people were not the ones who were legally classified as CATTLE.
The white people were not the ones who were SOLD away from the brothers, sister, husbands, and wives.
The white people were not the ones who were legally prohibited from being taught to READ.
The white people were not the ones who regularly SWUNG FROM TREES because they "forgot their place".
The white people were not the ones who were told to ride at the BACK OF THE BUS.
The white people were not the ones who were prohibited from using a TOILET a black person used.
The white people were not the ones the government INTENTIONALLY infected with syphilis to study them like rats.
The white people were not the ones who were denied a seat at the LUNCH COUNTER.
The white people are not the ones who receive the harsher PENALTY for the same crime.
The white people are not the ones who are disproportionately INCARCERATED.
The white people are not the ones who receive most of the DEATH SENTENCES.

No, buddy. BLACK POWER is the declaration that DESPITE all you've DONE to me, despite all the SHIT you've heaped on me and my
father and my grandfather before him, I AM A HUMAN BEING.

Contrary to what you have told me, I AM PROUD OF WHO I AM.

I am not the helpless, inferior sub-human depending on my MASTER.



"White Power" is about a below average, marginalized half-wit looking for a scapegoat and thinking that all his problems exist because the man who's been LITERALLY held down for generations is trying to stand up. It's not the "same ideology".


The two are NOT the same. Do you need me to explain the "GAY PRIDE" thing to you?

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[haifa lootin]

43. I agree and furthermore, claiming "pride" for an accident of birth regardless

of what characteristics are involved is completely idiotic. If someone wins a spelling bee, that's a valid thing to be proud of, but being born black or white, gay or straight, left or right-handed, in America or somewhere else is not.
IMO.

[Name removed]

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[Violet_Crumble]

70. I think yr missing the point when it comes to oppressed minorities...

Heterosexual white American males are not by any stretch of the imagination an oppressed minority like gays or women or African-Americans are and have been. When it comes to any minority group, whether they want to call it 'pride' or 'awareness', I couldn't care less, as I strongly feel there are far too many people who are completely insensitive to what minority groups like that go through. The difference between having a gay pride day or week and those hate-filled neanderthals wearing a white pride t-shirt with bible quotes advocating killing gays is that the first is about wanting people to accept them for who they are, and the second are trying to intimidate and bully gay students...

[AspenRose]

47. That was beautiful.

:applause:

[boppers]

49. Slight error:

"The white people were not the ones the government INTENTIONALLY infected with syphilis to study them like rats."

Are you talking about Tuskeegee?

What happened there was that black people who were self-infected with syphilis, OF THEIR OWN ACCORD, were not treated with the most effective medicine available.

[Toucano]

51. That's correct. Thank you. n/t

[U4ikLefty]

54. Why make that disticftion boppers? WHY?!?

funny that you would take the time to capitalize "OF THEIR OWN ACCORD"...hmmm!!!

Why would you do that...boppers???

[Violet_Crumble]

53. +1000 n/t

[muffin1]

74. One word...

BRAVO!

:applause:

[racaulk]

81. Fan-damn-tastic post!

Thank you!!!

:applause:

[walldude]

92. Dude... you need to make this it's own thread...

Seriously. Best thing I have read here all week..... :toast:

[Toucano]

100. It makes me happy to know that

:toast:

Thanks!

[KossackRealityCheck]

76. You are not aware of the history

Do you know what the origins of "Black Power" are or the conditions that gave rise to the call for Black Power?

The term was popularized in a book by Stokely Carmichael and Columbia University professor Charles Hamilton.

They explained how in black communities, all the major political and commercial institutions were owned or run by white people. In Harlem, all the stores were owned by whites and would not hire blacks to work in their own communities. Across the south, majority black districts were represented entirely and only by white politicians.

Black power meant simply black people having political and economic power in their own communities.

Since white people had political and economic power and opportunity in their own neighborhoods, white power is meaningless when you try to compare it to the idea of Black Power.

Same with Black pride. Did you see the movie, Malcolm X? It shows how in the 50s, black people like Malcolm Little desperately wanted to look white by straightening their hair and bleaching their skin, because they had been told by the larger society that black is ugly. When were white people told that white is ugly (and no tanning is not the same thing).

They are not the same and what you are trying to argue shows that you really are not aware of the history.

[Taitertots]

83. It is all about replacing one race based system with another

Black power isn't about equality. It isn't going to create equality anymore than "white power" does.

Race biased selection within the political and economic system isn't only bad when white people do it.

[boppers]

23. It's in the intent.

Straight Pride is fine, as is White Power, if your message is one of equality, acceptance and tolerance.

"Kiss me I'm Irish" T-shirts don't offend, because they don't usually have a message of death associated with them.

[blondeatlast]

42. I'm confused as how anyone can avoid--

tr4aditionally oppressed groups versus unoppressed groups.

FWIW, I'm a public school mom who's in favor of uniforms.

[lunasun]

61. Some people like to avoid seeing the double standard

that exists in this country every day .
Many use 'equations' like yours to perpetuate those double standards.
You said it yourself - you are confused!

[Divine Discontent]

62. why it does matter

We have never seen Gay kids wearing t-shirts to school advocating the death of Straight kids, in case you missed that in the OP, the Straight kids in question wore t-shirts that stated Gays should be put to death for loving another person of the same sex.


That's a pretty clear-cut reason for Gay people and their supporters who aren't Gay, to unite behind them having "Power".


Also, When you have some schools disciplining the teachers, for sending kids to the office who bully Gay youth, there's a strong reason for "Gay Power".

[Skittles]

67. OMG

are for real??? :o

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[KossackRealityCheck]

78. Was being sexually straight ever classified a mental illness?

This seems a bit obvious to have to explain. But if your sexuality has been classified a mental illness, if you have been taught it's something to be ashamed of, and that you may need shock treatment or institutionalization in a mental hospital for, then you would need a political movement to say it's not something to be ashamed of, it's not an illness, and you should have pride instead. Pride as a cure for degradation by society.

You can't really not see how their different, can you?

[Taitertots]

84. For this: It is totally irrelevant

Content of the character, not the color of the skin. Or in this case the sexual orientation.

All "pride" does is push everyone further apart instead of bringing them together. You can't right the wrongs of the past by being biased today.

[darkstar3]

90. You just spat out the standard right-wing anti-affirmative-action line.

"Pride" can also mean "it's OK|normal|perfectly acceptable to be gay|black|etc," and I think it's necessary for that message to be heard loud and clear AT THE VERY LEAST until people stop being killed for being members of oppressed minority groups.

[superduperfarleft]

93. You're right, oppressed minorities should strive to be more inclusive!

:rofl:

[uppityperson]

85. How is wearing a shirt saying a group should die "good"?

The Bible quote that recommended punishing homosexuality with death is a big problem, or do you seriously not see that?

Gay Pride=Good
Straight Pride and homosexuals should be killed = Bad

[kelly1mm]

20. First Ammendment violation to do otherwise. Federal Courts have

already ruled on this exact phrase. here is a link:

http://www.youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=537

[Warren DeMontague]

31. Really. Funny that "Bong Hits For Jesus" isn't okay, even when the kid isn't in school.

Odd, isn't it?

[Rhythm]

64. The same phrase on the front... the back is another matter

In the case of that specific biblical passage (... committed an abomination and shall surely be put to DEATH), there is a case to be made that it is an incitement to violence against GLBTIQ peers.

The front of the shirt is bad taste and asshattery for the sake of asshattery.
The back shows a more malevolent intent of the wearer.

[political_Dem]

25. I find this situation sad.

The kids know about the cases of bullying. Thus, wearing the shirts after the fact shows a committment to disregard the dignity and feelings of LGBTIQ people. Such displays are used to show an angry and defiant challenge against diversity of all types. So, this is not just an act of teenaged rebellion; this behavior is like hanging a noose in a place where people of color reside.

Furthermore, wearing "Straight Pride" shirts with the full knowledge that it is hurtful to students of the LGBTIQ community is just like a white person asking the question, "If Black people can say it, why can't I?".

This notion is even deepened when making such a display of prejudice a "First Amendment" issue. If one has to flaunt such a shirt in public, they know they are being hurtful and they don't care. It is not out of ignorance that these kids wear the shirts and that there are adults supporting their right to do so. More or less, the condoning of the kids to wear these T-shirts is seen as an attack on political correctness. And like RW talk show hosts who balk at simply giving respect and dignity to "the other", these kids are learning at an early age that it is right to ignore the dignity and personhood of people who aren't like them.

If the kids are let off the hook in the slightest for wearing "Straight Pride" shirts, what's to stop other kids wearing shirts saying something derogatory about another group of people they dislike and want to hurt?

If the "teaching moment" does not do enough, then the kids learn to treat the target of their ire less than human beings. After that, sadly, comes total dehumanization and violence. :(

[Zhade]

63. Indeed. It's exactly as offensive and threatening as hanging a noose in a neighborhood of color.

Thank you for this post.

[political_Dem]

66. You are very welcome. :)

[Warren DeMontague]

32. Hmmm. I wonder what would happen if the shirts said "Straight Pride AND Bong Hits for Jesus"

Scalia's head might not be able to handle the cognitive dissonance.

[jimlup]

34. I think this falls correctly under the 1st amendment...

Speech is protected. As soon as they start taking it away, guess who will be 2nd in line to lose it?

[Warren DeMontague]

48. Actually, kids in schools do not enjoy absolute first amendment rights.

In fact, they don't even need to be in school.

Or maybe, for some odd reason, the First amendment applies to obvious anti-gay bigotry but it doesn't apply to "Bong Hits For Jesus"? :shrug:

[uppityperson]

wearing a shirt to school saying all gay people should be killed is ok with you?

There are limitations with school wear.

[jimlup]

98. No, I confess that I didn't read the headline carefully enough

Yeah, if that biblical quote was on the shirt and said as much then yeah, The shirt should be banned. I tend to err on the side of civil liberty but in this case it wouldn't apply.

[uppityperson]

99. The headline didn't seem to mention that bit.

Wearing a shirt advocating death of a group should not be allowed.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

35. People forget that there is already legal precedent on this

It was in 2001 and the hoodie did not have the Leviticus quote on the back, but male/female icons holding hands.

If the district forces the issue they risk substantive punitive penalties, legal fees etc. Given how well known the case is, I suspect this was as much legal trolling as anything else.

That said, without the Leviticus quote, its pretty clearly a 1st amendment issue. The right answer to noxious speech is more speech. Make every week at the school gay pride week.

[Smarmie Doofus]

37. Or teach homosexuality as science and history.

>>>>>The right answer to noxious speech is more speech. Make every week at the school gay pride week.>>>>>


It's a taboo topic. The taboo, by definition, breeds misunderstanding, breeds suspicion, breeds superstition, etc.

Breeds Straight Pride T-Shirts.

It needs to be taught as any other phenomenon worthy of study. (That it * needs * to be taught is obvious from the story.)

[Smarmie Doofus]

36. Everyday is Straight Pride Day in every school I've ever been in.

They don't need T-shirts to show us how proud they are.

We know; we know.

[blondeatlast]

40. Schools should forbid ANY writing on clothing, period.

No more "Juicy" or "Pink" on pre-pubescent butts and chests, no more hideous hate messages, no more masked vulgarity, no more need to worry if the rule is being appropriately applied.

Kids deserve our protection; that's why there are statory laws protecting them and why they can't sign contracts.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

50. What about ribbons, pink, yellow, or rainbow

[blondeatlast]

52. I know it will make me unpopular here, but ban those, too.

All or nothing and make it tough. When my son was in kindergarten, I saw same-aged girls with writing on their butts. I also have seen some masked hate messages among his classmates on their shirts.

Schools have enough to deal with. Preparing for incoming... :hide:

[alphafemale]

69. That would be a good policy

That leaves no gray area of what "offensive" is and no one can say they are being persecuted :eyes:
because they are asked to cover their shirt.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

75. You also need to bad multiple colors etc

[alphafemale]

80. ...what?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

103. Grrr..did not see the error until after the time limit...Ban multi colored shirts

Which can send as much as a message as words in some cases. Same with logos

[iris27]

91. Yup. This is what my workplace did (college bookstore) after one too many frat-boy-type

student employees came in wearing shirts bearing veiled pro-date-rape references.

[GeorgeGist]

45. er ...

sounds like Straight Hate to me.

[AspenRose]

46. People are so ignorant.

This goes right up there with "why can't we have a white history month?" :eyes:

[AsahinaKimi]

55. agreed

+1

[riderinthestorm]

60. This is my neck of the woods.

There was a high school girl who just committed suicide in the town next door (Batavia) due to bullying just 2 weeks ago.

You'd think the St Charles principal would have shut this down asap with the hate speech on the back of the tee shirts. It's provocative and certainly hateful. Combine that with the volatile emotions of the entire Fox Valley area at the moment, this was guaranteed to be dynamite.

Mr. Jake Pezzuto (the senior quoted in the article)obviously hasn't been given the message that if the tee shirts just said, "straight pride", or "gay pride", it wouldn't have been such a big deal. But they didn't "just" say that. The straight pride tees went a hell of a lot further and advocated death to gay students. This is a classic example of how public schools in the US fall down on the job- this was supposed to be a "teachable moment" yet obviously nobody got the teaching.

Epic fail.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

71. Straight Pride yes; Leviticus 20:13 no.

Whoever wrote this article really hasn't thought about what the most offensive thing on those shirts was.

I think a school that is allowing students to wear shirts reading "gay pride" pretty much has to allow shirts reading "straight pride" as well (this kind of thing is one of the reasons school uniforms are near-universal here in the UK). I don't think political statements belong on shirts in school, but if you are going to have them then you *have* to allow pretty much all of them, rather than only allowing the ones you agree with.


But there is a mile of difference between "straight pride" and calls to murder homosexuals, and the latter is a long, long way over the line.

I wouldn't have made the students cover their T-shirts, but I would have made them wear cummerbunds.

[Rhythm]

77. Not just a call to murder homosexuals... but to do so by "God's" instruction n/t

[Donald Ian Rankin]

79. Is that worse?

I'm not sure that "god things you should be killed" is a more offensive slogan than "I think you should be killed", because the former also covers people like gnostics, Cathars, Manicheans etc who think that God is a bastard.

[mwooldri]

82. God's misinterpreted instruction.

Those laws laid down in Leviticus were for that time - when human population was no where near as big as it is now. Genesis starts off with a commandment of "go forth and multiply" and the "man lay down with a man as with a woman" bit is against the "go forth and multiply" commandment and hence Leviticus writes it down as a "sin". But it was for THAT TIME.

Someone needs to read the whole Bible and try to figure it out. Egads it is a hard book to understand, even if you declare yourself an out and out total Christian of any persuasion.

[walldude]

94. God did not write the Bible.

Anyone who believes that book is the literal word of god is ignorant of reality.

[mwooldri]

101. There's an awful lot of people ignorant of reality then....

... because here in the Bible Belt, there are a whole lot of people pushing the notion that the Bible is the literal word of God, and a whole lot of people believing it. Of course God did not write the Bible, even those who state the Bible is the literal word acknowledge this.

That's the problem with the "Straight Pride" shirted people taking the Leviticus quote to be absolutely literal to our time (and their time too), when it is talking to the Israelis at THAT time.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

96. I'm afraid I don't buy that at all.

Those instructions were written in that time, but I think there is no doubt that the men (not God) who wrote them intended them to apply in all places at all times.

[mwooldri]

102. Appears to me that you have actually bought into it.

The Old Testament is/was for the Israeli people.... It wasn't the religious law for any other peoples or tribe.

The point I was making was the instructions were written at that time for that time, and to expand and I thank you for clarifying it - for that particular group of people.

I think we agree, but just using different words to get to the same end point - those students with the "Straight Pride" shirts should NOT have had the Leviticus quotation on their shirts, primarily because my belief is that the quotation DOES NOT APPLY in todays' world - and worse yet is an incite to commit violence. Anyone in our county's schools wearing a shirt like that and was caught doing so would find themselves with out of school suspension at a minimum - totally against our county's school system anti-bullying rules.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

97. I'm afraid I don't buy that at all.

Those instructions were written in that time, but I think there is no doubt that the men (not God) who wrote them intended them to apply in all places at all times.

[uppityperson]

87. there is a mile of difference between "straight pride" and calls to murder homosexuals, and the latt

there is a mile of difference between "straight pride" and calls to murder homosexuals, and the latter is a long, long way over the line.


Exactly.

[Le Taz Hot]

72. I'm going to get creamed for this

but I agree with their right to wear it in the same way the ACLU was forced to defend the KKK's right to hold a public rally. It's a First Amendment issue. And let me say this slowly for the Professionally Outraged: I AGREE THAT THE MESSAGE IS OFFENSIVE. If I were young and going to that school I and my friends would high-tail it to the nearest retailer where we could buy "Gay Pride" T-shirts. That's how it works. The bigots have the same First Amendment rights as everyone else, no matter how offensive. Now, the calling for someone's death, THAT'S why the t-shirts should be banned.

[Blasphemer]

73. I agree

I've never been in favor of schools infringing upon first amendment rights. I think they would need to prove these t-shirts are directly inciting violence to be able to ban them. I don't know that the quote itself is enough to survive a first amendment challenge.

[MrScorpio]

86. Bigotry 101, I wonder if it's part of the course curriculum at that school nt

[I Have A Dream]

88. This quotation says it all...

"I don't understand how some students are able to wear 'Gay Pride' shirts while we can't wear shirts that just say 'Straight Pride.'"

They weren't just wearing shirts that said 'Straight Pride'. They were wearing shirts that also had the quotation about putting homosexual people to death. How can people not see the difference???!!! :argh:

:nuke:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

104. Not all straight pride shirts have the Leviticus quote on it

IIRC later in the week more shirt were worn that way.

[darkstar3]

89. The story is actually better than most at making clear what happened.

It's too bad the headline is so over-the-top and stupid.

Children chose to wear objectionable shirts to school, but those shirts were deliberate "line riders" and the administration had a decision to make. It seems to me that the decision was made later in the day when the administrators saw the distracting nature of the shirts and they took the appropriate action, which was then reinforced the next day when two more students came to school wearing similar attire.

"Straight Pride" is stupidity and bigotry and an example of privileged kids wallowing in their privilege, but can we cut educators in this country some slack please? Clearly they made the right decision and there is no reason for us to spin it as if they did otherwise. Teachers and school administrators have a hard enough time jumping through all the hoops set for them by parents and governments, so I say we back them up when they do their jobs correctly, even if they're a bit more judicious and slow about it than we might like.

:rant:

[LWolf]

95. Thank you. nt.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

105. There were some difference between the two days

- First wave had the Leviticus quote
- Second wave did not.

The courts have already ruled on the 2nd wave shirts. For the school to force the issue is to simply write checks to the students. I believe that was one of the intents of wearing them.