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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:33 PM
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Daughter says bin Laden captured alive then killed
BEIRUT: Osama bin Laden was killed at close range after he had been captured alive by U.S. commandos, one of the al-Qaeda leaders daughters told investigators, reported a pan-Arab newspaper Thursday.


Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat newspaper said Saffia, bin Ladens daughter who is believed to be 12 years old, told Pakistani security intelligence while under interrogation that she had witnessed the demise of her father at the hands of U.S. Navy Seals at a compound near the Pakistani capital Islamabad.


President Barack Obama announced Monday that the al-Qaeda leader had been tracked down and killed by U.S. Special Forces in the Pakistan city of Abbottabad Sunday.


Saffia, who was one of several of bin Ladens family members to survive the May 2 operation, said her father's killing had taken place on the ground floor of the complex, the paper said.

"She saw the Americans capture her father alive, then they shot him at point-blank range in a room at the ground floor," Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat said. "Bin Laden's was dragged toward a helicopter hovering over the compound," it said.



Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2011/May-05/Daughter-says-bin-Laden-captured-alive-then-killed-report.ashx#ixzz1LXHCLfAe
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:34 PM
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1. Maybe she is being coached by the Pakistanis.
I don't trust them one inch.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:10 PM
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28. I agree. They are furious with the US
Edited on Thu May-05-11 10:11 PM by flamingdem
want to have an excuse to rail and please the fanatics in their midst
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:36 PM
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2. Even if true, I wouldn't care.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:39 PM
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4. So you'd be OK with executing a parent in front of his young children??? Oh wait, that's right, she
Edited on Thu May-05-11 09:40 PM by coalition_unwilling
was a terrorist disguised as a child.

:sarcasm:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:45 PM
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7. She's better off not under his influence.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:46 PM
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10. Come on, admit it. She was a terrorist disguised as a child, therefore
not entitled to any consideration like the kind we'd accord an American 12-year-old.

:sarcasm:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:53 PM
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You think that if a mass murdering American was in a room with a kid, we wouldn't shoot him?
If we felt it was justified by his threat level? Seriously?
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:49 PM
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12. Agreed
Edited on Thu May-05-11 09:50 PM by StClone
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rbrnmw Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:53 PM
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18. the 9/11 victims had kids too
what about the kids who watched their parents die on TV as The Twin Towers collapsed?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:59 PM
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24. If we can agree on one principle, maybe it's this: if you are going
to execute someone, you don't do it in front of his or her children.


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Drahthaardogs Donating Member (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:58 PM
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23. Well, if Osama was a better father
he would not have his twelve year old daughter anywhere near him considering there was a $25,000,000 bounty on his head and the army of the Western World out looking to blow him into a million pieces. I say this was a clear cut case of child endangerment. Maybe we should have called Social Services.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:01 PM
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25. In addition to the "End Justifies the Means" and "Two Wrongs Make
a Right" justifications, we can now add a "Blame the guy who got shot that he was shot in front of his children." Oy vey.
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Drahthaardogs Donating Member (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:11 PM
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29. Seriously?
You have an entire army after you and chose to hole up with your wife and children and do not think that was a totally self-absorbed fucked up decision?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:13 PM
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43. we have seen the picture of the bedroom and all the blood on the floor. contradicts her story. nt
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:31 PM
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46. You probably believe to this day that the North Vietnamese actually
did fire on the U.S.S. Maddox while it sailed innocently in international waters.

I really don't think there's much further to discuss.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:35 PM
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47. logic, dontcha love. blood all over bedroom floor. say shot in bedroom. daughter says first floor
under pakistan watch....

yup

really going to go with the daughter.

oh, wait, seals put the blood on the floor to fool us....
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:48 PM
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48. In terms of the question, nasty things happen when you're involved in the business he was.
I do not whine when an overall good thing was accomplished.
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foxtrot Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:37 PM
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3. I hope they get her on Al Jazeera and she tells the entire
Muslim world what happens when you fuck with President Obama. It won't be pretty, he isn't Bush.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:08 PM
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26. 'What happens when you fuck with President Obama'? Somehow
your anger and possibly your partisan leanings have clouded your sense of chronology, I fear.

But that aside, you really have no problem executing a parent in front of his or her 12-year-old child??? would that be any parent and any 12-year-old child or only this parent and this terrorist disguised as a child?



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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:40 PM
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5. So the fuck what.
Your DADDY was a POS terrorist. Fuck him.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:44 PM
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6. Thereby proving the Old Testatment adage that the sins of the
father fall on the children.

You do realize the daughter is 12 years old??? But you're OK that her father gets shot in front of her??? I guess they do things differently in Texas.

Ugh.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:45 PM
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8. Your self righteousness this evening is bordering on schtick.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:51 PM
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15. Yes. I'm okay with it.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:50 AM
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58. rather than jump, you seem to have jet-packed over the shark...
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:11 PM
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41. Sounds like you've decided him winning is the way to go.
It is not about him. It is absolutely about us and this is dark age thinking.

If you don't care if a child is witness to their parent being whacked because you hate the parent that bad then I think you are following what you hate. There is nothing that child could have done for that and I think we as a people should aspire to be better. I'm no pacifist and have no issue with taking bin Laden out but if you capture someone then you have a prisoner and that is it.

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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:46 PM
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9. They went there to kill him.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:47 PM
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11. Waaaaaah! They killed my mass murdering terrorist daddy!
Boohoohoo!!
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:51 PM
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14. In front of me, no less. After he was in custody. Boohoohoo!
That's OK though. I may be 12 years old but I'm a terrorist disguised as a child.

:sarcasm:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:53 PM
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20. every time you say "but I'm a terrorist disguised as a child." it weakens your strawman further....
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:17 PM
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34. Waaaaaah!!! Boohoohoo!
No sarcasm.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:50 PM
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13. Slaughtered him while he was unarmed and helpless?
WONDERFUL! I hope that entitled rich boy pig was terrified. I am sincerely sorry that they didn't make a decent attempt to put three thousand bullets in him. Starting at his toes.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:53 PM
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17. Yeah, and abova all be sure to do it in front of his 12-year-old daughter.
Because everyone knows she's a terrorist too, disguised as a child.

:sarcasm:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 03:15 AM
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56. How many children were on those planes?
No, I don't give a damn about his daughter. I hope he didn't make her spend five years in a single room like his wife is saying she had to.

But her trauma is the least of my concerns. The family has money. They can deal with it.

I don't appreciate his daughter being used as a human shield by propagandists who need to believe this execution was wrong or unwarranted, however.


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:52 PM
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16. dupe dupe dupe dupe
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:53 PM
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19. Wow. This thread would fit right in on
FR.

yuck.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:54 PM
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21. HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE ON THOSE PLANES?
Maybe someday someone will tell her. And you.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:57 PM
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If Bin Laden loved his children or his wives he would have stayed the fuck away from them.
Apparently he could have given a fuck that the US wanted to run a J-DAM up his ass since his daughter was 2....


Fuck me. LET'S JUST TAKE ALL THE FUCKING BLAME FOR EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME.

Nevermind, You'll NEVER be happy.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:15 PM
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32. Here's a memo to terrorists:
Edited on Thu May-05-11 10:16 PM by Mz Pip
Don't bring your family into your bunker or your foxhole or your compound.

He was hiding out with his kid. So yeah, she might have seen him killed. But that's his fault, not ours.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:37 PM
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37. Exactly.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:57 PM
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22. duplicate rant. nevermind.
Edited on Thu May-05-11 09:58 PM by cliffordu
Ap
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:08 PM
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27. Hogwash.
If they had orders to kill, exterminate, execute, assassinate, or whatever, they wouldn't capture him to begin with. And even if they had, they wouldn't need to shoot him several times to kill him, if they had him in their custody.

If it doesn't make sense, it's not true.

The Seals knew what they were doing. They were there to kill, and they did.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:11 PM
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30. "Dead or Alive". bush said it himself Sept 17th 2001
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:12 PM
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31. Well if she's lucky she might get to learn to read now nt
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:17 PM
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33. You say that like it's a bad thing...
The only regret is that Osama's death was far too quick. He should have suffered exquisitely.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:18 PM
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36. And in front of his 12-year-old daughter, just to drive the point home
to any terrorist disguised as a child.

:sarcasm:
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:10 PM
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40. more like a terrorist group's tool disguised as a child i call BS on her story
they can say what they want to contradict the footage that was filmed for sympathy and rage to whoever will listen
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:26 PM
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45. My sarcasm is wasted. The age of satire is dead. Go ahead and
Edited on Thu May-05-11 11:27 PM by coalition_unwilling
call BS on the story of a 12-year-old girl who may have witnessed first-hand her father's violent death. I shall pray for your soul but regret we can have no further discourse.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:16 AM
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52. You talk about this situation as if he was a loving father
Given the way OBL's brand of perverted "Islam" views women, I think you're assuming a hell of a lot. Her life was very likely far worse than the lives of the children raised in those horrific FLDS compounds, and that's horrifying enough. If you really care about this 12 year old girl - and I mean really care about her and not just using her to make your angst-ridden political point - then you should be happy she has a ghost of a chance at a normal life now instead of being an illiterate slave concubine to be auctioned off at her sociopathic homophobic misogynist mass murdering evil fundamentalist father's whim.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:18 PM
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35. Good riddance. nt
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agentS Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:43 PM
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38. At least we didn't shoot the kids
That would be really fucked up. But, at least on this day, we were better than the terrorists.
Now, if we had gone thru with the drone strike, there would not be a little girl to talk about what happened. There would just be a pile of rubble and bones.

So sorry to see your father get killed by Navy Seals, but look at it this way- they didn't shoot you. That's a bit of mercy your father did not grant the many Muslim victims of his organization after 9/11.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:21 PM
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44. Oy vey. "At least we didn't shoot the kids." We adhere to such
high standards. No, we just shot the father IN FRONT OF HIS KID! Obviously, the kid deserved to witness her father's death first-hand, because she's really just a terrorist disguised as a child.

:sarcasm:

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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:09 PM
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39. Well yeah.
I really doubt they found him dead and then shot him.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:12 PM
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42. except all the blood is in the bedroom where they confronted him.... we have seen the pictures. nt
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:35 AM
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54. That is exactly what I was thinking too. nt
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:59 PM
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49. I don't know....there's something about executing a father in front of his children....
that doesn't seem right. Couldn't they have waited until the children weren't in view to execute him?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:11 AM
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51. You have a delicious talent for the art of the understatement. Or maybe
tbat's a talent for the art of the delicious understatement :)

Executing a parent in front of his child is so 16 Century (Shakespeare and Marlowe would have revelled in dramatizing such.)

As one DUer noted, in attempting to rationalize the unspeakable, "At least we didn't shoot the kids."

I guess there's that, eh?
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:03 AM
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50. K&R
Not necessarily true, however.
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admonish Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 04:05 AM
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57. she could be telling the truth
they may have considering taking him alive (but only to get some answers). it could also be argued that this "mission" is illegal, but what is absolutely not in question is the fact this was a kill mission....wanted: dead or alive
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