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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:34 AM
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One space or two?
I've always used two spaces following a period at the end of a sentence.

This guy says to only use one:
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Space Invaders
Why you should never, ever use two spaces after a period.

Last month, Gawker published a series of messages that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange had once written to a 19-year-old girl he'd become infatuated with. Gawker called the e-mails "creepy," "lovesick," and "stalkery"; I'd add overwrought, self-important, and dorky. ("Our intimacy seems like the memory of a strange dream to me," went a typical line.) Still, given all we've heard about Assange's puffed-up personality, the substance of his e-mail was pretty unsurprising. What really surprised me was his typography.

Here's a fellow who's been using computers since at least the mid-1980s, a guy whose globetrotting tech-wizardry has come to symbolize all that's revolutionary about the digital age. Yet when he sits down to type, Julian Assange reverts to an antiquated habit that would not have been out of place in the secretarial pools of the 1950s: He uses two spaces after every period. Which—for the record—is totally, completely, utterly, and inarguably wrong.

http://www.slate.com/id/2281146/pagenum/all/#p2
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:41 AM
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1. In typewriter (fixed-pitch) fonts, use two. In variable-width fonts, use one.
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 08:48 AM by Tesha
Nowadays, almost everything you do in the computer world
is done using proper variable-width ("variable-pitch") fonts
by default. For example, our posts here at DU are like that.

You mostly have to deliberately select "Courier"
if you want a fixed-pitch ("monospaced") font.
;)

Both halves of the rule are intended to optimize
readability.

Tesha
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:46 AM
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5. I've never even noticed whether someone was using one or two spaces after a period.
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 08:46 AM by boston bean
What do I know? LOL

I don't know if I can break the habit of using two space after a period.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:50 AM
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7. The good news is that with modern variable-pitch fonts, ...
the <Space> character is so narrow it takes deliberate
effort (such as dragging your "select region" across the
spaces or Microsoft giving the wiggly green underbar)
to see whether there are one or two of them in there. ;)

Tesha
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:22 AM
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9. In MSWord, you can check with the ¶ function
It will show all the spaces as dots and hard returns as ¶.

I work for a couple of major insurance companies and all of the interview and note transcripts must have two spaces after periods.

WordPerfect, for those of us still loyal to that wonderful program, shows every keystroke, every command, in "reveal codes."


Tansy Gold, who works in Word and thinks in WordPerfect.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:28 AM
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13. Seconding Tansy Gold, that function is often called "show invisibles".
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 09:31 AM by Tesha
It's also handy for sorting out <Tab>s from <Space>s and
<Hard Return>s from <Soft Return>s and once you get into
trickier Word formatting, it (and "Page View") are invaluable
allies; you can't live without them!

Tesha
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:33 AM
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15. I so relate to your last sentence!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

~sigh. My favorite WordPerfect version was 5.2. I stopped updating it shortly after that since everyone uses Word. I still have my first registered version of WP, DOS(!), on 5.25 floppys with a huge 3-ring binder of 'help.' :D

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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #9
19. I've always much preferred WordPerfect
for a wide variety of reasons. I only use MSWord if I absolutely have to.


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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #19
26. I learned Wordperfect first and got use to it. Then Word came along
and I went with the in crowd.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:26 AM
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10. This is what I was taught as well.
One space for variable-width, two for fixed.

I once worked for a man who made me edit & re-print a five page letter because I put only one space after the periods. I had a secretary's handbook at my desk & showed him the section that stated that one space was acceptable, but he had me re-do the entire letter. Five pages of letterhead in the recycle bin because he wanted some extra spaces. :eyes: He was the most anal exec I ever worked for.
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May Hamm Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:12 AM
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62. Bosses in general like it done their way.

Yeah, sometimes it's annoying to employees but that's they way it goes. Bosses also do not generally smile back when some whippersnapper pulls out the latest edition of Dummies Guide to Secretarying to prove them wrong. LOL But I see you used past tense when you referred to him so it looks like you worked it out to your satisfaction.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:32 PM
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44. exactly n/t
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 01:32 PM by fishwax
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:42 AM
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2. 1 after a comma or semicolon, 2 after a period or colon.
That is how I was taught.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #2
41. Yup, that's how I learned it, too.
Who's to say it's "wrong"? On the web these days, you can't tell anymore, anyway.
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May Hamm Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #2
63. Same here
Except I do not believe I have ever had occasion to use a semicolon.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:43 AM
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3. He's right - two spaces is wrong. It's a holdover from typewriter days
and fixed with fonts.

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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:19 PM
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53. I guess I'm a hold over too
I get very very queasy if I don't double space after a period. For heaven's sakes, you don't know how many pages of my Master's thesis statement I had to crumple up and toss because of this. The margins were a nightmare too along with the proper punctuation, spacing and underlining of footnotes. I ended up giving it to a professional typist who specialized in scholarly papers.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:45 AM
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4. Is this the latest obsession?
Oh geez.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. I'll agree it's not all that important, but curious. As I was taught in the 80's
to use two space.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:51 AM
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8. When I was taught typing in the seventies it was two spaces as well,
I simply assumed that all typing rules applied to computer keyboarding. All papers that I've churned out have passed muster, so I guess I'll keep using two spaces.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. It's actually possible that Microsoft is quietly fixing your two spaces...
...down to one; I think that's a pretty common "auto
correct" rule.

Tesha
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:50 AM
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17. I turn of auto correct off on principle
It forces me to proof read my papers thoroughly, something that a lot of people don't do.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:28 AM
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12. With the atrocious spelling and grammar I see in practically all online text..
Who in the hell gives the slightest damn whether you use one space or two?


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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:29 AM
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14. We purists (the few, the proud, the typographers!) ;-)
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:36 AM
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16. Eh, If I was a text purist I'd have long since committed seppuku ..
no wht i mn?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 11:57 AM
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31. 4 sr! (NT)
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #12
28. these days I'm thrilled if people use capitals, punctuation and actual WORDS
rather than acronyms for damn near everything.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 11:26 AM
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29. WTH....
i did use capitals tho....

LOL
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May Hamm Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:19 AM
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64. Maybe no one who accepts "who the hell gives a damn"
It all depends on the circumstance. I am sure you are correct in thinking that in context where profanity is acceptable, two spaces is probably not noticed.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:53 AM
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18. i'm so glad this is being talked about. one space - always.
:evilgrin:
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:11 AM
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21. Always? Always? were you taught in typing class to use one space?
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 09:54 AM
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20. One space
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Agent William Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:15 AM
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22. That does it. I've had it.
I was starting to get lazy in regards to place two spaces after the end of each full stop. I'll be sure to add two spaces from now often as seeing as conventional wisdom is to only have one space.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:17 AM
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23. One. Two is a waste.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #23
27. Exactly. What reason exists for using two?
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 10:56 AM by Hosnon
Except for ease of reading when using fixed-width fonts, which is equally awful on its own

And I can't type without the typographical symbols showing. :-P
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:32 PM
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34. why even capitalize?
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. That's actually a good point. And that convention
has dramatically changed in English (we used to capitalize all nouns).

I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed to see the language e. e. cummings-ized.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:00 PM
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33. ...a waste of {Space}. (NT)
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 12:00 PM by Tesha
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:18 AM
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24. 2.
it doesn't hurt anybody. ;)
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:19 AM
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25. did you put on or two spaces before that smiley?
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 11:36 AM
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30. Proper punctuation requires 2.
At least it used to. Another reminder that I'm getting old.

Heck, I remember when keyboards lacked a number 1 and we had to use lower-case "L." That was a hard habit to break but I finally did after typing several thousand addresses for a freelance customer who printed them off in call-caps. Oops. :blush:

Even still, no number pad for me. That was an unnecessary bastardization of the keyboard and I refuse to participate. :P
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:24 PM
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54. I won't use the numbers pad either
Younger people at work look at me strangely when I use the numbers at top. I remember using lower case "l" for one as well.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 11:59 AM
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32. I'll give up my Smith-Corona Sterling portable when they pry it from my cold, dead hands
It got my dad through medical school and me through my undergraduate education and beyond.

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May Hamm Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:23 AM
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66. Some days I could use a typewriter

I find myself at times yearning for one when the internet is acting up and I can't print off my documents. Oh for ten minutes and carbon paper!
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:35 PM
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35. I was taught (old school) two spaces after a period, but modern typsetting rules...
changed it to one. Every single character/space that can be saved, is. Grammar be damned.

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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:52 PM
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52. Typing is not typesetting. Even hot type used varying sizes of spacebanding to fit type.
Cold type made this process easier, but things like widow and orphan control were usually of a higher priority than uniform space band width after periods. Pull out an old letter press book and a pica pole and check for yourself.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:35 PM
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36. One. It's a computer, not a typewriter. (I used one; see how it's visually fine?)
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 12:36 PM by WinkyDink
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:43 PM
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39. I just used two. See how it's visually fine. Can you see a difference?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:26 PM
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47. You may have typed two spaces (and they'll even be there if you edit your post), ...
...but HTML automatically reduced your spacing to just single
spaces. Unless you're in a <pre></pre> (preformatted text)
block, it *ALWAYS* does that.

Tesha
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:45 PM
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40. I don't think it's visually fine at all
Two spaces would look a whole lot better. It even looks like there is more space between the words than there is between the end of one sentence and the beginning of the next.


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akwapez Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:37 PM
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37. I was taught to use 2, but then in the late 90's was told that it changed
to use only 1 space was now correct. The reason I was given for the change was to save paper. This, of course, was when most everything was still printed. I never broke the habit of using 2 spaces.
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AmandaMae Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:39 PM
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38. I was taught (in the 90's) to use 2.
I use 1 now but for a long time I thought 2 was the only right way to type.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:23 PM
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42. Back when I used a typewriter, two. Now, one.
Either way, it's a government plot. If you only use one space, the muscles in your thumbs will atrophy from disuse, and will fall off. If you use two, you're overworking the muscles in your thumbs, which will lead to over-muscled thumbs and you won't be able to use them at all andallyourwordswillstarttoruntogetherlikethis.

Just to be safe, perhaps we should all start to use three spaces, which I think would cover both options and protect our Purity of Essence and Precious Bodily Fluids.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:32 PM
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43. I only use 1 because I'm lazy and never noticed the difference. My grad supervisor had issues with
that.

He basically made me go back and fix it for my 130 page thesis. I should have known better after he pointed it out on my progress reports, but it never became a habit.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:36 PM
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45. So now Assange is GUILTY
of the 2 space rule.

OMFG What next? Next he'll be spelling the teh! Then it'll be grammar anarchy! There will be leaked grammar documents, governments will topple, the end is nigh!


Gimme a fucking break. I hate to use tired internet cliche's.. but this is an EPIC FAIL.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:28 PM
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48. If anyone would like to read a very thorough discussion of this topic, see:
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:33 PM
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56. that was an enthralling conversation going on over there...
NOT

LOL
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:34 PM
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49. Wow. He must be a blast to hang out with.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:43 PM
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50. LOL
This guy has nothing better to do than worry about whether or not someone used 2 spaces after a period? I use two and I'll continue to use two because I just don't give a shit whether 1 or 2 is proper.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:49 PM
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51. You'll pry my two spaces after a period out of my cold dead hands...
x(
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:29 PM
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55. LOL, one of my favorite old arguments!
The answer is one unless you're using an Selectric or manual typewriter, then it is two.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 08:41 PM
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57. Two because I'm old.
My computer and partner correct me incessantly.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:45 AM
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58. 2 spaces looks better.
I'm going to keep on using 2 spaces.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:49 AM
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59. When did it change?
I'm a two space girl from way back. I don't think it's something I can break myself of.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:56 AM
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60. Two, dammit
I've been using two since freshman keyboarding class in high school and it wouldn't be worth the effort to re-train myself. I don't have that kind of discipline.

It it with great reluctance that I only use one space after a period while texting.
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May Hamm Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:04 AM
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61. Two, of course

You young people always want to change everything. I wouldn't even consider using only one space. My finger automatically, (thumb actually,) goes "tap, tap." My hand would probably ache if I tried to stop it from happening. It may not be even possible.
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:20 AM
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65. Although I learned to type on an ancient 1920's typewriter,
if they ever taught the "rule" of two spaces, I promptly forgot it, thankfully! ;)

I don't know where I read it, but one thing that two spaces causes on a page is "rivers of white". That is, look at a large paragraph written with double spaces after the periods and you'll see these gaps of space connecting line by line. I guess to typographers and publishers, that's not esthetically pleasing. Who knows? It might even have some physiological problem for our eyes. I don't know; it's just one of those weird tidbits I once read.

Now, this article explains why two-spaces are "wrong". I know working with a friend that did the double spacing in his writing didn't really like it when I did a global-replace and set them all to one space, but his was the only complaint once the work went online. So there! :P

Tip o’ the Day: One space will do
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