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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:51 AM
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Chris Matthews Calls Birthers 'Crackers'
Chris Matthews Calls Birthers 'Crackers' (VIDEO)

Chris Matthews called "birthers" "crackers" on his Friday show.

Matthews used the term while speaking to Politico's Jeanne Cummings and the Huffington Post's Sam Stein. He was discussing the attacks on President Obama.

"So much of this attack on Obama has been ad hominem -- directed at the person, the president," Matthews said. "Whether it's somebody, some cracker out there on the right calling him -- some birther type that he's not an American or it is someone a little more sophisticated, but basically saying he's a socialist."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/15/chris-matthews-birthers-crackers_n_809579.html
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:52 AM
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1. I don't have a problem with that.
Some people ARE crackers.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:53 AM
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2. I call 'm idiots
and stupid
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:53 AM
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3. People in this Country need Lessons in Civics
socialism ain't what you think it is Billy Bub.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:53 AM
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4. the he should be fired just like an announcer who would use
it's analog. a racial slur is a racial slur.

sP
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:15 AM
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6. Exactly
It's not okay to use a racial slur at all.

And anyone here who condones it is just illustrating a massive double standard.
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:59 AM
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5. I think Matthews was being kind. n/t
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:23 AM
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7. If the shoe fits. And, coming from a long line of 'crackers', I don't have a problem with it. n/t
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:28 AM
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9. So, it's okay to use a racial slur as long as it's against someone we don't like?
Pretty sure white supremacists use the same logic.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:34 AM
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11. I've just never found it offensive in a racial way; more like a slur against one's intelligence
and background. "Hillbilly" and "redneck" could be used interchangeably with "cracker", IMHO.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:35 AM
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12. just because you don't understand how it is racial
doesn't mean that is isn't a racial slur...

sP
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:36 AM
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13. It IS a racial term though
Back from the days of slavery and the cracking of a whip.

Country people have embraced redneck and hillbilly...I don't see them embracing the "cracker" part of their history though.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:55 PM
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58. I disagree. A southern writer did a piece on the term once, it is commonly used in
parts of the south and it is not used as a racial term, but more as a term for those that have a bit of a hardscrabble life.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 08:50 AM
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78. I read a piece about it in some journal once... the origin of "cracker" is not what most think it is

The common (and mistaken) parlance says "cracker" comes from the white slave owners "cracking" the whips.

The article I read said it in fact was descriptive of the lower class southerners of Scotch-Irish descent and their penchant for "cracking" jokes and pranks.The author cited several usages from middle and Elizabethan English, the foremost being from Shakespeare's "King John":

"What cracker is this... that deafes our eares / With this abundance of superfluous breath?"

This is not the same article I read but it does make the same argument.

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?path=/Folklife/CustomsandLocalTraditions&id=h-552


< article >

By the 1760s the English, both at home and in colonial America, were applying the term to Scots-Irish settlers of the southern backcountry, as in this passage from a letter to the earl of Dartmouth: "I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode." The word then came to be associated with the cowboys of Georgia and Florida, many of them descendants of those early frontiersmen.< /article >
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:47 PM
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56. I don't think it was meant as a racial slur.
You've never heard the term "gone crackers"?
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:52 PM
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57. Cracker is not a racial slur. I am a cracker because of the part of my
home state that I was born and raised in. The term refers to indigenous americans, usually southerners that are poor and live hand to mouth. Nothing should happen to Matthews, just like nothing should happen to Beck or Hannity, or O'Reilly. Limbaugh is in another zone, that man should be sent into space, never to return.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:30 PM
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64. meh
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 01:31 PM by fascisthunter
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 08:23 AM
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76. Yep the similarities escape most. Pretty much encompasses
all space and brain matter.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:24 AM
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8. Racist term, sorry Mr. Matthews
It's not a nice word when referring to white people. Racism is racism.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:46 AM
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19. I'm not a fan of his...but....
I don't think he meant it in those terms. The word in that context is rarely used so it's easy to forget. I bet he wanted to say they are nuts...but thought that didn't sound right so reached for another snack item to describe him

Let's not go crackers over every little thing!
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:47 AM
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21. horseshit...that is not how he was using it...
and you know it...nice attempt to cover for him though...

sP
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:47 AM
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22. He might not have meant it...
And I agree, I think he realized as soon as he said it that he had used the wrong word...but he still used a racial slur.

Which is why I don't think he should be fired, more like reprimanded.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:48 AM
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26. "some cracker" is the phrase he used
and he meant it the way he used it.

sP
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:41 PM
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66. Much like "some nut"
Much like "some nut"
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 11:22 AM
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52. I agree.. I think he meant cracked in the head/nuts n/t
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 11:26 AM
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54. I've heard it that way too
Going crackers = going crazy
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:51 AM
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30. it sure ain't a racial slur here in the south...we're all crackers
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:51 AM
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31. The n word sure ain't a racial slur in rap music...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:10 PM
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62. The n word and cracker are in absolutely no way similar.
It is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 08:56 AM
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79. Yep, theres an "H-word" thats the analogue for the "N-word". Cracker, is harmless.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:32 PM
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65. self-delete
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 01:33 PM by fascisthunter
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cordelia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:03 AM
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40. Speak for yourself. n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 11:02 AM
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49. I'm Not A Cracker
Orlando,Florida
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 08:26 AM
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77. You're admitting that southerners are nuts?
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:34 AM
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10. One of my SIL's comes from an old Alabama family, and ther refer to themselves
as "crackers" all the time...I don't get the outrage..why not apply it to the tea baggers and their supporters?


mark
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:37 AM
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14. African Americans tend to use the n word to refer to themselves sometimes...
Doesn't make that word any less offensive.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:54 AM
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33. I understand, but I still think it's a big nothing.....nt
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:56 AM
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35. I understand where you come from...
I grew up in what was half a suburban community and half a farm town...kids used to refer to themselves as crackers all the time. Unless, of course, they were in my World History class, where the teacher would send their asses down to the principal if he ever caught them using that word.

I just don't see it as acceptable, no matter who uses it.
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:58 AM
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38. I don't like it.
But I view it more as a classist term than a racial slur (although it can be used that way). Matthews was being elitist more than racist when he used the word.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:59 AM
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39. I think that's actually pretty accurate
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 09:59 AM by NuclearDem
It does depend on who's using the term.

It's still offensive either way, but context does help. :)
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RandiFan1290 Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:39 AM
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15. Thesaurus.com
Main Entry: crackers
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: insane
Synonyms: batty, bonkers*, brainsick, cracked, crazed, crazy, crazy as a loon, cuckoo, daft, demented, deranged, distraught, disturbed, dotty, kooky, loco, lunatic, mad, mentally ill, moonstruck, not all there, nuts, nutty, off one's rocker, out of one's mind, out to lunch, psycho, psychotic, sick, sick in the head, stark raving mad, touched*, unbalanced, unhinged, unsound, wacky.


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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:40 AM
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16. horseshit...that is not how he was using it...
crackers here is an adjective...crackers as matthews used it is a noun...learn the fucking parts of speech before you try to argue a point.

sP
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:41 AM
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17. Dictionary.com
noun
5.
Slang: Disparaging and Offensive . a poor white person living in some rural parts of the southeastern U.S.

adjective
10.
crackers, Informal . wild; crazy: They went crackers over the new styles.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:59 AM
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48. You looked up the adjective.
He said "crackers" in the plural noun sense. If he was using it the way you say, there would be a noun described by crackers ("That guy is crackers!").

Some advice: don't try to make a point with a copy/paste from the dictionary unless you know you're correct.
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RandiFan1290 Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:40 PM
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55. He said "cracker"
Please don't try to make a point unless you know you are correct.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:24 PM
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RandiFan1290 Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:36 PM
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69. So where does it say
that "cracker" is impossible to be used as an adjective? Please explain, professor?

Welcome BTW try not to get yourself too worked up so soon. :hi:
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:45 AM
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18. White people want something to be offended about too!
It's not fair that black people get to have all the fun. :eyes:
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:46 AM
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20. bullshit...just bullshit
you people and your fucking double standards...

sP
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:48 AM
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24. So you're arguing that calling a white person a "cracker" is the equivalent of calling
a black person the n-word, with all the historical connotations that word has?

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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:49 AM
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28. not equivalent...but a racial slur nonetheless...
like it or not...look it up and see what it means...then tell me if it is a slur or not.

sP
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:54 AM
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32. It can be used as a racial term.
But it is also a term used, especially in the South, by more well-to-do people against "white trash". My great-grandparents would always say that they were called crackers more by rich white southerners than blacks or any other group.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:07 AM
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43. Sure, it's a slur.
Just like it's a slur to call a man an asshole, and a woman a c*nt. Neither are remotely equivalent in their power and history.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:51 AM
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29. Given the historical context of "cracker"...
Yeah, it's essentially the same thing. Crackers were slaveowners (the name comes from not only 'cracked corn', but some could argue from the cracking sound of a whip).

You can't say one racial slur related to slavery is excusable while another isn't.
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:54 AM
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34. See my post above.
It isn't always a racial slur.
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RandiFan1290 Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:57 AM
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36. They don't care
Their pearls are already clutched.

:rofl:
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:57 AM
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37. Alright, so in some contexts it's just a derogatory term against the poor
That's not a whole lot better...
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:04 AM
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41. I wish you luck in your quest to correct the centuries of oppression suffered by white people.
:cry:

And I long for the day when that suffering ends. Yes, my brothers, one day white people will ascend to positions of power within government. One day, white people will no longer disproportionately be incarcerated by unjust drug laws or be victims of violent crime. One day, my white brothers will no longer be terrorized by black supremacist groups and the local police forces that protect them.

Yes, one day, my white brothers, white people will cast off the 400-year-old shackles of oppression!!!!

Oh yeah, and :sarcasm:
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:07 AM
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42. Right, because since white people have power and money makes slurs against them ok
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 10:08 AM by NuclearDem
I'm sorry, I happen to be against racism no matter what form it takes...

It's unfortunate that some on DU believe that racism against an entire group is warranted as long as members of that group have done bad things in the past.

I wasn't saying racism against white people is institutionalized, or even very prevalent in society...but when it does pop up, it has to be dealt with. It's still hate that leads to violence.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:07 AM
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44. Carry on, brother.
One day we'll reach the promised land. :cry:
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:10 AM
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45. My ancestors weren't slavemasters
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 10:10 AM by NuclearDem
I'm sorry I don't agree with being labeled as the descendant of someone who DID treat human beings as less than such.

You know, the same way ethnic Slavs treated my ancestral ethnic Balts in Eastern Europe...
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:45 PM
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67. +1
+1

I have a difficult time feeling oppressed when called a term that hold little weight, less meaning, and even less pejorative.

But, I imagine many people will righteously proclaim "double-standard" to better maintain the illusion of two wholly separate terms conveying the precise same power.
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:18 AM
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46. Crackers were of the lower social class, not the slave-owning planters.
Folk etymology aside,
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?path=/Folklife/CustomsandLocalTraditions&id=h-552

"The true history of the name, however, is more involved and shows a shift in application over time. Linguists now believe the original root to be the Gaelic craic, still used in Ireland (anglicized in spelling to crack) for "entertaining conversation." The English meaning of cracker as a braggart appears by Elizabethan times, as, for example, in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this . . . that deafes our ears / With this abundance of superfluous breath?"

By the 1760s the English, both at home and in colonial America, were applying the term to Scots-Irish settlers of the southern backcountry,
Crackers, as in this passage from a letter to the earl of Dartmouth: "I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode." The word then came to be associated with the cowboys of Georgia and Florida, many of them descendants of those early frontiersmen."

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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:21 AM
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47. Appreciate the background info
But I think it's also important to look at how the term has evolved over the years.

It might have been that three hundred years ago, but in 21st century America, it's too often to refer to white people in general.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 11:06 AM
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51. My folks were from Ireland and they sure liked the crack
It means a bunch of guys sitting around bsing each other. Or gals.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:48 AM
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23. Yeah, because that's what this is about...
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 09:49 AM by NuclearDem
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:48 AM
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25. I know. That's why I said it. n/t
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:49 AM
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27. Hold, on let me go back and edit that...
Better?
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 11:04 AM
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50. He probably meant they were cracked
in the head - crackpots/loonies.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 11:23 AM
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53. Watched the movie "Rosewood the other night
About the destruction of a small all African American community in Levy County, Florida in 1923, based on a true incident. In the movie, both races called the whites "crackers" routinely. Of course, that was when the "n" word was used routinely to refer to African Americans by both races.

Knowing the historical usage is informative, but that does not prevent the current usage from being hurtful and non-productive. Chris Matthews did not grow up in the South, so his use of the word can't be blamed on hearing it used often as a child. His choice of that usage was almost certainly deliberate. While the connotations in his use might be intentional, it does not promote better communication.

By the way, "Rosewood" is well worth watching. Horrific, but well done, well acted and with great impact. For those who do not know the history, Rosewood was a small town in Levy County, Florida settled by all African Americans with one store run by a white man. Following accusations of a rape by a AA man, the town was torched, many of the occupants murdered and the survivors escaped to Gainesville, Florida. For many years the incident was covered up. About 35 years ago - sixty years after the destruction - the survivors came forward and received compensation from the Florida legislature,. Officially, the loss of life was low, about 10 people or so. Survivors estimate that 140-160 people were murdered in a killing spree by whites that was not stopped by the Levy County sheriff even though he was there for the duration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_massacre
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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:56 PM
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59. As a middle aged white man I'm sooooo disadvantaged
How long can I be kept down by the bigotry in this country? :rofl:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:58 PM
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60. Matthews is one teevee's most undisciplined sources of oral spew
In his attempts to sound smart, he just keeping spewing aimlessly.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:00 PM
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61. He's right. Some of them are crackers. lol.
White trash crackers. :rofl:

Anyone who tries to equate cracker to the slurs that have been historically used as instruments of hate against blacks, Jews, gays, women and other minorities are grasping at straws. There is no equivalency for the racial slurs that have been used against minorities for whites.

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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:29 PM
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63. Matthews should not have used that term because it 's crude,and in this instance elitist
because it emanated from his rich, educated and privileged mouth.

Why not simply use the epithet "birther?"
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:26 PM
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71. He should have used the term: 'Peckerwoods.'
it's more appropriate.
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sylvi Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:35 PM
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72. Because it's not "as bad" as another doesn't make it right
It's okay for one race to be subject to racial slurs, as long as that race hasn't suffered the arbitrary requisite amount x of hate and oppression. Until then, they should just shut up and take the epithets and ask for seconds. At the same time members of that race should also carefully examine what words and phrases they use, because hey, we're trying to end racism here.

Is that the formula? Is it okay to call people of Italian ancestry "wops" or German descendants "krauts" because they certainly haven't been exposed to the level of hate and disadvantage historically that Blacks have?

Well, if your goal is some adolescent version of Tit-for-Tat where you're keeping a scoreboard of less than/same as/better than slurs, and cheering for the "righteous" usage, I suppose that will work.

If your goal is to end or diminish racism and bigotry, not so much. You can't tell a group of people, "We expect you to stop using the term 'nigger', but at the same we are going to continue to call you 'cracker' because you have not yet reached the minimum level of suffering required for us to stop. We'll let you know when that is."

Well, technically I suppose you can tell them that, but good luck with it being an effective teaching tool.

Combating hate and bigotry means you set a moral standard for all people to rise to in their dealings with one another, not just the ones you find most repugnant at the moment.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:04 PM
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73. I thought cracker was a reference to skin color.
White people being the color of a soda cracker. Like a saltine. Those flat things people eat.

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joe_sixpack Donating Member (655 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:52 PM
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74. I don't find anything wrong
in what Matthews said, because in this case he's mirroring my side of an issue. Now, if he takes a position I don't agree with, than I'm going to jump on him for using a term like this, or anything else I can find to berate him on.
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elana i am Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:08 PM
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75. around here calling someone a cracker means
calling someone a looney toon.
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