Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Secret Service Says They're All Sorry Nuts Who Acted Alone

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
Paranoid Pessimist Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:31 PM
Original message
Secret Service Says They're All Sorry Nuts Who Acted Alone
Last night I watched a 60 Minutes piece where a couple of Secret Service crazy assassin experts explained that, after interviewing all of them who weren't dead, that they all were bonkers in pretty much the same way, that they all acted alone, that "politics" had nothing really to do with what they did except to maybe, as in Jared Loughner's case, to provide a little content. According to these guys all of them realized that committing their crime did not solve their problems. Even Sirhan Sirhan? I'd always heard he claimed not to know or remember why he did what he did if he did it.

Sirhan Sirhan has also been on a strict, court enforced regimen of anti-psychotic medication from the day he was committed. Anti-psychotics will drive you insane if you are already healthily. At this point, according to one person who tried to interview Mr. Sirhan, there is no chance of getting a coherent narrative of what happened that day.

Who knows what if anything is true, but I have trouble believing government agents when they come forth with stuff like this .

Bits and pieces of Loughner's story keep being released to the media a bit at a time, and we hear about a lot of things that we don't get to see, such as his poetry.

But some of the questions that I haven't heard be asked are:

Where did he get the $500 to buy the gun? Wikipedia says he got "fired from his job at Quiznos" then "underwent a personality transformation." What was his personality like before he transformed? Did he have the money saved up and put aside? What about the money he used to check into a Motel the night before the shooting? Where did that come from?

Are efforts being made to question him and see if somebody might have (perish the thought) put him up to it? Or has his court appointed lawyer advised him against speaking? Have they met and discussed things? I've always thought Lee Harvey Ozwald, whether he "acted alone" (as all of them are said to have done by the Secret Service) or, was an "aimed nut" -- that he didn't come up with the idea all on his own.

Is he still sitting in his cell with that same smirk on his face refusing to talk further?

I'm not saying he was framed or was part of a conspiracy, but I can't help but wonder.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:37 PM
Response to Original message
1. He's been described as frugal. And he had a credit card.
Not hard for him to get his hands on $500.

I don't know how to answer your other questions.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Paranoid Pessimist Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Who paid the credit card bill? Who would know how to answer?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:38 PM
Response to Original message
2. A person can be political as well as crazy. Palin and Bachman. So I take
exception with the first part.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Paranoid Pessimist Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. So did I. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:43 PM
Response to Original message
5. Yeah, as though they would say anything else.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:45 PM
Response to Original message
6. The last I heard, he was not talking.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Second Stone Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 02:17 PM
Response to Original message
7. Squeaky Fromm was a member of the Manson family
conspiracy. While she had been on her own for years, the Manson family was a violent movement that certainly had influence on her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 02:23 PM
Response to Original message
8. He actually bought two guns, extra mags, and ammo.
That is about $1200 not including his hotel room, and meals.
$1200 isn't that much for someone who is "dedicated". He was living at home rent free (likely free food, utilities and transportation too). Isn't that hard to save up under circumstances like that. He also had a credit card.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Also right after the holidays
People sometimes get cash for xmas.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Paranoid Pessimist Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. There's a heartwarming thought for you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
9. Even these loners do not live in a vacuum. They may not understand
what is happening around them but they still have some input from it.

Recently my sil called to ask for help with my brother who has bipolar and has gone into a very deep winter withdrawal. She insisted he did not know she was there. My sister and I got together and told her about the first time he did this. He would turn his back on us, refuse to eat with us, did not say a word for 2 years and generally withdrew from the world. The family left a tv turned on for company and food out to eat when he wanted it. We went on with life around him in our normal way. When he came out of it he did not have to catch up. He had been listening - just not participating. All these outside factors had helped him come through.

Interesting aside: my sister told me the day he came out of it she baked him some very good brownies. Legalize.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
11. The SS wishes that was true! Since they were absent during the actual shooting
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 02:38 PM by Rex
all they have is hearsay.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:56 PM
Response to Original message
12. Secrecy, obfuscation, and disregard for the publics' best interests. Is that you,
America? I thought I knew you but apparently, I was wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:20 PM
Response to Original message
13. They have to be aware of politics.
Otherwise, why did they kill Kennedy and MLK? Why are they going after abortion doctors? And why Gabby Giffords? They are learning about these people in the media, and I am god damned sure they are also hearing about all the virulent talk from the right at the same time.

If they were just "sorry nuts who acted alone" they'd be shooting and killing anybody who walked by.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. No, they would look for some other authority figure...
...one that was highly recognized. The key is that these shooters understand politicians are authority figures, almost celebrities in certain ways, that do, through the laws they pass, have a certain measure of control over us. But that doesn't mean the shooter ascribes to any coherent political philosophy themselves. Then in their mentally deranged state they blame said authority figure/celebrity for all sorts of irrational things that very often simply don't have anything to do with left wing or right wing thinking.

Almost all of these threads have one thing in common just below the surface, and that is people are still determined to find ways to make Laughner a right winger even though no serious evidence exists to link him to the right. Sometimes people are just mentally ill and do things like this for reasons that we will never understand. It is absolutely possible for a mentally unstable person to be influenced by violent right wing rhetoric, and it is certainly worth looking into, but in this particular case the evidence from the very beginning does not seem to show that Laughner was any more interested in right wing talk than John Hinckley was interested in left wing talk. This has almost certainly been a mental health issue all along, not some conspiracy that will show itself if only we keep on trying to piece one together.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:58 PM
Response to Original message
16. NPR's article about the study
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:01 PM
Response to Original message
17. Lee Harvey Oswald not only "came up" with the idea for his horrific crime all alone, he committed it
all alone and without a speck of outside help. And there is not a single shred of credible evidence to suggest otherwise. That is all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 22nd 2024, 09:51 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC