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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:12 PM
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Study claims good-looking men and women have higher IQs
It appears that those already physically blessed attract partners who are not just good looking but brainy too, according to research by the London School of Economics.

The children of these couples will tend to inherit both qualities, building a genetic link over successive generations between them.

LSE researcher Satoshi Kanazawa told the Sunday Times: ''Physical attractiveness is significantly positively associated with general intelligence, both with and without controls for social class, body size and health.
Clever and handsome:: Physicist Brian Cox

Clever and handsome: Physicist Brian Cox

'The association between attractiveness and general intelligence is also stronger among men than among women.'

In other research on social standing, he found that middle-class girls tended to have higher IQs than their working- class counterparts.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1347651/Attractive-people-higher-IQs-Beauty-brains-DO-together.html#ixzz1BKETiEcA
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:13 PM
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1. Teachers give them a little more confidence, so they learn more
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:20 PM
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50. IQ is not material learned
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:21 PM
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51. Have you ever seen an IQ test?
What they measure is learning

If you haven't studied algebra, you don't do so well on any of the logic questions
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:28 PM
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53. An IQ test does not ask you to list the naval battles of the War of 1812
Yes you have to do rudimentary math and be able to read the dang thing, but learning is not the measurement. IQ is just the ability to memorize, categorize and manipulate information. There are people who have never been to school with very high IQs (although some subjects such as math help with abstract reasoning and that shows up on the margins of IQ) and vice versa.

You take a person with a 90 IQ and they might be able learn a great list of facts. You can't make great improvements in IQ since it is based on genetics and the expression of said genetics.


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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:17 PM
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56. Actually...
Many tests use general knowledge questions as a subset of an IQ score.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:35 PM
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59. This is what I mean
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:14 PM
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2. Damned straight we do
and we're one hell of a lot more humble about it than those of you beaten with the ugly stick.

;-) :evilgrin: :toast:
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:15 PM
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3. What bullshit
Think of portraits of the geniouses you can. Stephen Hawking?, Einstein?, etc.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:32 PM
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13. I don't buy it either.
If this was correct you'd expect geniuses to be also gorgeous and really, is that the case?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:42 PM
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26. There have been a few...
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:15 PM
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4. What bullshit. Standards of 'beauty' vary throughout history and cultures
Why do people crank out this crap? (Not you, the authors)
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:16 PM
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5. If you don't age well does that mean your IQ drops? n/t
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:22 PM
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9. lol.... funny. ya. nt
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Zephie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:16 PM
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6. Heh, great, one more reason for people to have low self esteem
Not pretty? Hey, that means you're not smart either. Hurry up and go die in your gutter so us pretty, wealthy, intelligent people can get on with our lives without you.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:42 PM
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25. that's the intent of such "research"
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:16 PM
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7. Well, it's true for me.
And my kids are even smarter and better looking. Look out future generations!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:18 PM
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8. If IQ was determined in an individual test, than it might be influenced
by the subjective reaction of the test-giver to the taker.

On the other hand, other research has shown that facial symmetry is strongly related to attractiveness. Facial symmetry is also related to general health -- which could have an effect on intelligence. It might not be too much of a stretch to think that the healthiest children - those who eat well and aren't debilitated by frequent illness -- might grow up to have higher I.Q.'s.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:22 PM
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10. So I'm even dumber than I thought?
That's just great.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:24 PM
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11. No offense, but the source of that article is from the Daily Mail.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:36 PM
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15. I just noticed that too.
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 03:36 PM by dipsydoodle
Private Eye, the satirical magazine over here running since the sixties, has always referred to the Daily Mail as the Daily Lie.

Notwithstanding that whilst Alfred E. Newman may not have film star looks I don't believe him to be stupid.

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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:30 PM
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12. Like I need a study to tell me that Cheney is stupid AND ugly nt
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:34 PM
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14. Really? Explain Einstein, or for that matter, Stephen Hawking.

who funded this tripe?
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Zephie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:38 PM
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Call me crazy but I always found Einstein handsome
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:04 PM
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44. Einstein was very attractive. nt
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:48 PM
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27. Before Hawking's illness, he was handsome and athletic. Einsttein as a young man
was quite a sharpie, too...

Now if he had said goodlooking , smart and RICH...


mark
(Who is both)
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:37 PM
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16. Proof positive:
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 04:06 PM by avaistheone1
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:38 PM
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20. .
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 03:39 PM by avaistheone1
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:37 PM
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17. sounds like the onion, but sadly, it is not. nt
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:37 PM
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18. Explain Hollywood.
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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:50 PM
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28. Perfect response! n/t
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:38 PM
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19. Any Studies Available
...on their arrogance, condescension, cruelty, & senses of entitlement?

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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:40 PM
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21. Without a doubt it is so.
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 04:07 PM by avaistheone1
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chowder66 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:40 PM
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22. I believe it....why?
Because that means that all people who are intelligent and may be considered unattractive are actually attractive.


So Mr. Hawking should be the next Sexiest Man Alive!! Take that LSE Researchers!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:41 PM
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23. If that is true, then why are people of average intelligence the most likely to reproduce?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:00 PM
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33. Because they are the most likely to connect emotionally with someone of the opposite sex..
The further you are from the middle of the bell curve in intelligence the harder it is to find someone who is compatible with you.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:42 PM
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24. bullshit.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:53 PM
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29. More study findings
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 04:08 PM by avaistheone1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FEm5VwrgQY&feature=related



Minds like this are just not celebrated enough.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:54 PM
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30. Got to a Mensa meeting and get back to me on that one.
That theory would get a real test.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:44 PM
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38. Well, many of us Mensa members don't go to meetings. So you wouldn't see us there.
Maybe we're hanging out with the "beautiful people".
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:53 PM
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39. Mensa is merely a subset of intelligent people.
And a poor one at that. People who feel they need to belong to an exclusionary club in order to identify themselves as intelligent definitely lack something.
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jdp349 Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:02 PM
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43. self selecting subset - invalid
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jdp349 Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:11 PM
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48. woops
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 05:12 PM by jdp349
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:10 PM
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47. They ain't exactly olfactorally pleasing either.
Such masters at Fermat's last theorem, quantum mechanics, Sanskrit and binary, yet they can't bathe.
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fatbuckel Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:55 PM
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31. See? Told ya!
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:00 PM
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32. If higher IQ's had meaning that might be interesting
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:18 PM
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34. What a stud that Einstein guy was.
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 04:20 PM by Bonhomme Richard
And That Woman Not to be Mentioned...............what a tower of braininess she is.
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iamtechus Donating Member (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:19 PM
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35. How to judge articles like this:
I believe that one should judge research like this by relating it their own experience.

Looking back at my school days, I seem to recall that it was seldom the "good looking" ones who did the best in difficult subjects. In my technical occupation it was seldom the attractive ones who were the best problem solvers.

How well people score on tests (like the IQ) can depend on a lot of factors. In my humble, unprofessional opinion it can be affected by poverty, self-confidence, anxiety level and many other things.

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Spike89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:38 PM
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36. Probably a correlation between health and intelligence
but why the outrage? It is only a correlation.

BTW - Stephen Hawking is your example? FFS, the man has a degenerative disease! I guess I could understand the Einstein (is ugly) thing, even though he was more unkempt and considered quite rakish as a young man. But disputing statistics with not only a couple examples is ignorant, but using one as totally innappropriate as Hawking is disgusting.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:40 PM
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37. can they give specific examples ?
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:59 PM
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40. Certainly








The intellectual giants of our time.




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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:09 PM
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46. I bet you all three of those women have IQ's well over 100. nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:26 PM
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52. True
if you add each ones together.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:00 PM
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41. I smell dung.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:02 PM
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42. I've always thought that was generally true. nt
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:07 PM
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45. I agree! Why, just look at THESE hunks!








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jdp349 Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:13 PM
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49. seems reasonable
If we assume the methodology is valid there are any number of casual relationships that might be proposed many of which would not be mutually exclusive.

To address subjective standards of beauty: It would be reasonable to propose that intelligent people are more adept at modifying their appearance to conform with current standards of beauty.

As another poster mentioned, perhaps people who are more attractive develop higher self confidence and self esteem.

There are some cross cultural standards of beauty that are general indicative of good health and lack of chromosome damage which are also positively correlated with intelligence.

To be honest I'd be more surprised if there was no correlation between the two variables at all.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:43 PM
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54. Well, my guy is handsome and smart, so therefore this study is
100% correct. :thumbsup:
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:55 PM
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55. The studies seem to have yielded valid data, so there can be little arguing with the conclusions.
I suspect that most of the opposition to those valid findings will not be grounded in actual data/evidence to the contrary, but rather an instinctive, baseless resentment of the facts as they appear to be. And anecdotes: lots and lots of anecdotes and outliers.

Pesky things, those facts.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:24 PM
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57. All I know is my kids are both bright and adorable. :^)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:25 PM
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58. Damn Straight. nt
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