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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:53 PM
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Are We Sure 'Civility' Will Help the Democrats? - Newsweek
Are We Sure 'Civility' Will Help the Democrats?
by Mickey Kaus
January 17, 2011

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During the debate over welfare reform that consumed much of 1995 and 1996 in Congress, those who generally supported the Republican approach (ending the welfare "entitlement," imposing work requirements) had a very strong hand. Polls had consistently shown voters hated no-strings welfare. Even the Democratic president blamed welfare for sustaining a "culture of poverty." It would have been a minor feat of parliamentary skill for Republicans to somehow not reform welfare in this situation.

Yet they almost pulled it off. One reason was politicians like John Mica. During one of the early debates, Mica, a GOP representative from Florida, brandished a sign reading"Don't Feed the Alligators" to illustrate his argument that "unnatural feeding and artificial care creates dependency." A Wyoming congresswoman promptly compared welfare recipients to similarly dependent "wolves." You could debate the aptness of these attention-getting zoological metaphors, but they gave Democratic entitlement-defenders such as Barney Frank an opening to portray reformers as inhuman, disrespectful, possibly racist nutcases. Fortunately for Republicans, by the time the welfare debate resumed in 1996 they'd learned to leave the animals out of it. Reform passed convincingly.

Shorter version: Republicans toned it down, and that helped them win.

Which leads me to wonder: If the current frenzy for "civility" means Republicans have to take the sharp edges off their Tea Partyish rhetoric, will that really help Democrats? Democrats may think so. Byron York speculates that they're quietly congratulating Obama for raising the civility issue in his Tucson address even as he denied that incivility had anything to do with the shootinga strategy Obamaphile Jon Alter had advocated before the speech. Boy did it make Palin look bad! What's more, just when the number of GOP representatives is about to dwarf the number of Democrats who'll be listening to the State of the Union address, there's MSM momentum behind the idea that the parties should sit in an interspersed jumble so viewers won't be able to tell. Brilliant! Republicans are in a position to be mean to Democrats, and there's suddenly a campaign against meanness. What a happy coincidence!

But, like many seemingly clever, intuitive MSM/Dem strategies"Let's nominate a Vietnam war hero to run against President Bush!"this one may prove to be a dud, or worse. There's a reason, after all, why the White House has consistently attacked and therefore elevated relatively intemperate Republican figures such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beckmaking them the public faces of the GOP. The reason is that wild Beckish rhetoric turns off independent and moderate voters. For the same reason, the White House has always seemed to kind of like having the Birthers around. They're a great foil.

Why would Republican politicians ever fall into this "too hot" trap? Because hot rhetoric gins up their base. But now that they've won the House in an off year election, GOP pols don't need to please the base so much. They need the middle. They need swing congressmen to vote for their bills and they need supportive poll numbers to encourage those congressmen to do so. If a "civility" crusade succeeds in getting the most volatile Republicans to cool it and stop irritating the center, it won't be doing Obama's work for him. It will be doing John Boehner's work for him. <MK's Emphasis>

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More: http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/kausfiles/2011/01/17/are-we-sure-civility-will-help-the-democrats.html

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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:59 PM
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1. Who said anything about it helping the Dems?
It should be done because it's the right thing to do no matter if it helps or hurts the Dems.

It is dangerous and it needs to stop.....period.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:22 PM
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3. I had the same thought...
This is why I can't hack the MSM's political coverage - to them it's all a horse race, and their job is to pick winners.

I'm a Democrat but I want the violent rhetoric on the right to stop not because it might give "our team" and edge but simply because I WANT RIGHT-WINGERS TO STOP KILLING PEOPLE. Speaking for myself, this is a human issue, not a partisan one.
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Peace Monger Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:44 PM
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10. yourout it did my heart good to read your reply

Thank You!
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:17 PM
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2. "getting the most volatile Republicans to cool it" No way they could stop.
It's all they ever had.
As far as I'm concerned the Democrats have done nothing but be civil.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:34 PM
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4. It shouldn't be about helping Democrats but about Helping America...
Let Democrats debate them on the issues and let Republicans do their normal name calling and demeaning of people..They will never stop doing that no matter what. That isn't really what it is all about IMO. It is about the implied threats coming from the Republicans.. Their way of trying to intimidate the American citizen..America would be a lot better off if they would just stop their threats.....
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:39 PM
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5. But Isn't There A Difference Between Calling Out Somebody On Their BS, And Violent Rhetoric ???
I want to be able to say, and can say, "You're full of shit!" <Not YOU of course, but my political opponent.>

Without ever coming close to saying, "You should be lynched, shot, taken out, etc!"

:shrug:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:43 PM
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6. They should use a Shakespearean Insult Generator
Thou droning hedge-born strumpet!


http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:49 PM
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7. Love It !!! - Thank You !!!
Thou bawdy tickle-brained malcontent!

:evilgrin:

:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 04:51 PM
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8. Depends on what they are trying to achieve.
I'm pretty confused these days.
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