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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:39 PM
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DHS: Hydrogen Peroxide Food Bomb Warning
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DHS Hydrogen Peroxide Food Bomb Warning

Terrorists could use hydrogen peroxide and organic fuel mixtures (HPOMs), made by mixing concentrated hydrogen peroxide with a variety of organic fuels, in an attack against the United States. The viability, performance, and sensitivity of these explosives vary and are based on a number of factors including the fuel chosen, the ratio of peroxide to fuel, and the concentration of peroxide used. Peroxide can be concentrated from lower percentages by simple evaporation through heating, and it is readily available in a variety of stores. The organic fuels used in these mixtures include common products such as cumin, black pepper, flour, sugar, honey, acetone, nitromethane, ethanol (grain alcohol) or ground coffee. HPOMs are extremely sensitive to impact, friction, static/spark, and heat and in large quantities can self-heat and ignite if in sunlight or a hot room.



http://publicintelligence.net/ufouo-dhs-hydrogen-peroxide-food-bomb-warning/
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:42 PM
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1. Next it will be vinegar and baking soda
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:45 PM
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6. That was my thought, too! It's a big, scary world out there! nt
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:08 PM
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16. No more blowing up a paper bag and popping it!
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:42 PM
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2. No more food on the plane.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:43 PM
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5. for sure no pepper!
:rofl:
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:19 PM
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26. Yep and they will start charging $5 for the damn bag of 5 pretzels.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:42 PM
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3. I loves me some H2O2
I soak my feet in it.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:33 PM
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19. I use it in the laundry.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:10 PM
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23. I've been using it to re-do my hardwood floors
it will take off old varnish/glue etc. You put some on and let it bubble then wipe it up, up comes all the nasty crap from the floor. I buy it practically by the crate at Big Lots. Gee I hope I don't get mistaken for a terrorist! :yoiks:
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:21 PM
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27. Will it work on that build up you get on stair rails
you know that 50 year old gunk from peoples hand oils reacting with the finish?
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:48 AM
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35. Probably. Along with the varnish. Try sugar soap.
Ammonia should also work.

Personally I favour good old elbow grease for removing that sort of buildup.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 02:56 AM
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38. It will but as another poster said
it WILL remove the varnish too and take it down to bare wood. You would have to refinish it maybe even restain. Unless you want to refinish the whole thing I would use something like Murphy's soap.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:43 PM
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4. How nice
DHS is releasing an instruction manual, almost as if they want something to happen to justify their existence.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:00 PM
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15. If I were a 12 year old boy...
any hydrogen peroxide and black pepper in my house would mysteriously dissapear
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:13 PM
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24. ... or girl.
I would have been aching to try this at home when I was a girl.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:49 PM
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7. Are they doing How To's now? n/t
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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:50 PM
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8. I'm confused. Does this mean that none of those improvised heating examples...
will be allowed through an airport checkpoint anymore???
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:52 PM
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9. I'm surprised it doesn't mention they're VERY hard to detect
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 06:57 PM by OneTenthofOnePercent
because they don't evolve nitrogen dioxide or nitrates like a typical nitrate based explosive. Especially when the HPOMs are converted and crystallized into covalently bonded organic peroxides. It could've upped the sensationalist fear factor at least another notch or two...

And a major LOL-WTF?!? at the "blowtorch" as an "improvised heating example" for making explosives. Some dumbass is going to say, "Hey, I have peroxide, sugar, and a blowtorch at home!"... and then go win a Darwin Award.

EDIT: Just so people don't get the wrong idea about me, I'm an engineer in the materials science and test engineering field... not some nutball. And I can say with certainty only an idiot would mess with this stuff - it's too dangerous and spontaneous even for a trained laboratory technicians.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:54 PM
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10. Pfft!
Mentos in a coke will do the job!
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:55 PM
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11. makes a great souffle!
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:56 PM
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12. I had a burrito the other day.
It turned out to be explosive.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:58 PM
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13. Nice Post Osama!!!
Just kidding. This stuff is fascinating.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:00 PM
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14. Get the plastic and duct tape back out of the garage!!1!11!
teh evil terraists is coming!1!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:11 PM
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17. Reminds me of the Al Qaeda leader who ate pop rocks and drank a coke.
Big, big mess.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:17 PM
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18. It's more and more like "The Truman Show..."


I'm thinking they don't want us to fly anymore.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:52 PM
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20. When I was 12, I used match heads to make a "bang stick"
That's what we called it.

Get two very large bolts (1/2" or so) and a nut to fit them. Screw the nut onto the bolt halfway, making a "cup". Fill the cup with match heads. Screw the other bolt into the nut, VERY SLOWLY, until tight.
Then, voil! A "bang stick". Throw it at the pavement and it bangs, sending the bolts in opposite directions. We later learned to tie the 2 bolts together so you could find them.

Very dangerous, very stupid idea. But we had it down to a science.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:59 PM
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21. how did you learn to do it? did you figure it out yourselves or learn from someone else?
a child terrorist, perhaps?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:18 PM
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25. It was an invention of a myself and a childhood friend
He was a sort of child prodigy, always aced his school tests. But he was bored and wanted excitement.

So, we did dangerous things together. Looking back, I shake my head at the things we did. But we always considered safety, in a weird way.

And we always did things away from parent and grownups.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:29 PM
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30. ah, home-grown terror.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:33 PM
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31. We did it for science
In the hopes that some "researcher" would discover our vast knowledge of "sciency" things.

They never showed up.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:49 PM
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33. :>) children are clever.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:28 PM
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29. Watch myth busters
For a car sized version of that...fun times.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:46 PM
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32. I'm suing!
They stole my idea!
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:07 PM
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22. More Security Theater(tm).
Too bad they don't use better puppets...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 08:26 PM
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28. There are a couple cleaners under my sink
That are far more stable...

Security theater indeed

Yes, it is possible. The hazmat tech hat in me...but energetic...no,not really.

As I said...there is a reason NOT to mix cleaners, or you too can get low grade mustard gas. Consider that the healthy warning of the day. Oh and it would be hat much more...yes effective.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:21 PM
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34. reminds me of duct tape and sparklers
and the afternoon digging a new posthole for the fence.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:54 AM
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36. DHS warns terrorists may be infiltrating high school chemistry classes
In order to learn new chemical combinations
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 01:58 AM
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37. Nice to see that DHS is making progress,
I think that the fine folks at DHS are starting to realize that you can make a bomb out of thousands of everyday household objects and products easily available at our local grocery and hardware stores.
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