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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 07:59 PM
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So...the "old Boomer Has Beens" have their last say. "Joan Baez at Foley Square!"
Edited on Fri Nov-11-11 08:19 PM by KoKo
(btw..nice song you can listen to at the site)

Folk singer Joan Baez jams for the Occupy Wall Street
Anti-war folkie performs on Veteran's Day

BY Matthew Lysiak & Corky Siemaszko
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Friday, November 11 2011, 3:53 PM

The irony of Baez performing on Veterans Day was mostly lost on the demonstrators, who had marched from their base in Zuccotti Park to Foley Square, just up from City Hall, for the concert.

In fact, some werent quite sure who Baez was.

Shes a war hero who served in Vietnam, I think, said 19-year-old Luke Fields, who hails from Morningside Heights. She saw first-hand that war was a nightmare.

Told that Baez was a singer, Fields changed his tune.

Its great to have her here, he said. Shes a legend, but no, I cant say I can name the songs.

Fields was not alone.

When Baez urged everyone to sing along with her first song, Wheres My Apple Pie, only a handful did because most didnt seem to know the lyrics.

But there was loud applause when Baez changed the lyric from wheres my apple pie, to its time to occupy.

Baez is not the first 60s throwback to sing in solidarity with the mostly youthful protesters.

MUCH MORE and Worth a Read.....at..........

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/folk-singer-joan-baez-jams-occupy-wall-street-masses-manhattan-article-1.976364#ixzz1dRqplOdS





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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:03 PM
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1. Okay. So who should perform instead?
Green Day? Eminem? Rage Against the Machine?

They're kind of at the mercy of whomever shows up.

I'm guessing John Mayer probably isn't interested. ;-)
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:08 PM
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3. I guess that leaves Britney Spears
She's out of rehab, right?
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 11:06 PM
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54. I think she's playing the Republican National Convention
After all, I seem to remember her being big on Drinky McDumbass.

:woohoo:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:23 PM
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7. Joan Baez is a "saint" to me....so my post must have come across snarky...sorry.
The article is a good read as to how many don't even know who she is or was or what she sung.

It's SO GOOD that she's there. My post was in reply to those who trash "Boomers" as useless, worthless, Wall St. Supporters. But, they don't ever get their brains "wrapped around" the Protests of the 60's" because they get their info from "Faux History or Discovery Channel" or "Cato or Heritage Foundation" before they spout off here about "Boomers STOLE their FUTURE!"

That's what I'm saying. There isn't room for nuance on the Internet..I guess.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:31 PM
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12. I have a lot of Baez on my iPod.
And I may be a little long in the tooth to be a Boomer (born 1944), but I've been fighting as a Progressive ever since the days when only Cheeseheads used the word to describe themselves. (That would be about 1963 by my calculations).
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:34 PM
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41. You are not alone, my friend.
Baez has a permanent place in my music collection, even tho I have had to replace the various mediums of playing her music many times over the last 40 years! As I type, she is singing from David's Album, into my headphones.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:32 PM
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14. Thanks for clarifying.

Was ready to chase you off my lawn. :hi:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:51 PM
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25. Sarcasm in print generally looks like a cheap shot
which is why DU has thoughtfully supplied us with :sarcasm: . Use it.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:38 PM
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42. What I LOVE LOVE LOVE about this
is that she deferred to them...and their protest. It was a no-brainer to most of us that it would end with her picking up her guitar and gaining a whole new generation of fans. But the gesture of her leaving her guitar at home and talking to the protestors first...shows a deep respect for the movement. And again...what a class act she is!
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 11:01 PM
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52. I thought it was nice of her to even offer to play
I'm glad to know that people who demonstrated in the '60's are making their way to OWS all over again.

>And again...what a class act she is!<

Yes, she is. I'm glad she was there.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:30 PM
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11. The Red Army Choir?
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:07 PM
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2. What is "ironic" about Joan Baez singing at a protest?
Edited on Fri Nov-11-11 08:09 PM by Webster Green
"'Twas ever thus". -Mr. Natural
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:15 PM
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4. We thought she was the coolest person ever. Still do..n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:19 PM
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5. I just edited so folks would see there's a clip of her song there...it's lovely. n/t
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:22 PM
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6. Where did the "boomer has-beens" quote in your OP come from?
:wtf: ???????
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:29 PM
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10. Yeah. ????
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:35 PM
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16. From many posters here on DU who say Boomers took their Future away from them...
Druggies and do nothings who then "gave up the cause" and went to work and left them with Social Security and Medicare Payments that they cannot afford.

So many posts here on DU and all over the Blogosphere that were trashing those in the 60's and early 70's who stood up for principles and tried to do what they could.

It was my "Back Attcha Moment" about how not all Boomers or folks over 55 are evil do nothings who worked for Goldman-Sachs and were Investment Bankers or Mortgage Broker who stole America along with Greenspan/Reagan/Poppy and Chimpy Bush and even Bill Clinton who caused it all to go away....The Revival of American Principles.

I thought that it was interesting that many on OWS didn't even know who she was.

That's what I was trying to say in my post. It was a bit of "Snark" against those thinking that all of us over 55 are somehow folks who stole from them and that they don't know how hard this long generation worked...but what we were up against was as overwhelming as it is now.

I'm not sure you will understand this. I wish I could express it better...
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:48 PM
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24. Don't worry, KoKo. That Daily News quote of spectators sounds like gotcha journalism.
They wouldn't report on the people who knew who Baez was...

As for me, I'm relatively young but I grew up listening to Baez and other protest music on folk night on public radio.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:52 PM
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26. Especially "old"? She is 70, and I am 72 and do not consider myself "old". n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:35 PM
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17. Hey KoKo... I Know Where It Comes From...
Many times it comes from here...right here at DU.

But NOT by you... and I know what you were trying to point out.

Carry on.

:yourock:

:loveya:

:hi:

:kick: & Rec !!!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:42 PM
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20. Thanks...Willy T... as I said...it's hard to do "nuance, irony, or snark, sometimes
and not have it be taken the wrong way here, many times. :hug:
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 11:03 PM
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53. KoKo, I didn't get it. I apologize.
I hope we all find OWS in our communities. Let's face it, old, young, or in-between - we're all needed.

:hug:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:24 PM
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8. They all got a history lesson which is good
There is a definite connection between the 1960s and the 2010s. The new generation gets to take the reins now. Joan Baez is giving her blessing and her lifelong activist support to them. I give my blessing to them. And my support too.

They know who she is now. They're very smart young people.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:26 PM
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9. "old Boomer Has Beens"???
:wtf:

RL

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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:33 PM
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15. See post 7.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:31 PM
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13. She was born in '41, so she's of the Silent Generation, not a Boomer.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:38 PM
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18. What's the difference...I'm a Silent Generation, also...but hung out with the Boomers...
And that's what's wrong about this "Think Tank Crap" that tries to ties us all to "Generational Ideology."

We are who we are...and there are always people of all generations who can reach backwards to those younger and forward to those older to try to WORK FOR CHANGE.

That's really what my "somewhat snarky" post is about. Let's get away from this "Think Tank" Generationa Pitting One against the Other...and JOIN TOGETHER for CHANGE.

OLD AND YOUNG and MIDDLE and EVERYONE... WE CAN DO IT...! Don't let us all get hung up in some Think Tanks telling us we CONFORM TO GENERATIONS! WE ARE WHO WE ARE! It's our BELIEFS that MATTER.

Just saying....
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:01 PM
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31. Read "The Fourth Turning" by William Strauss and Neil Howe.
Edited on Fri Nov-11-11 09:01 PM by Odin2005
According to them there is a 4-generation-long cycle and each generation fits into one of 4 archetypes. The generations of this cycle and the last are:

Missionary (1861-1882): Prophet-idealist
Lost (1883-1900): Nomad-reactive
GI (1901-1924): Hero-civic
Silent (1925-1942): Artist-adaptive
Boom (1943-1960): Prophet-idealist
Gen-X (1961-1981): Nomad-reactive
Millennial (1982-2005): Hero-civic
Unnamed (2006- ): Artist-adaptive
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:30 PM
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39. They put Boom at 1943...most info I've read is '45 for Boomers..but I'd agree that I'm a
Phrophet Idealist...category...except that many of my generation were Corporatist/Capitalists...and that's why I hate these generational sterotypes.

I read "4th Turning" and it's very interesting in a way...but too stereotypical and his sampling was "very small" according to the critiques of his book. They sampled in a very narrow group..was the criticism.

But, in some ways it was an interesting read...although as I said above and here. You can't pen people into generations and particularly not when you do label them with stereotypes of what it is "thought" they ALL LISTENED TO and ALL READ and WERE INFLUENCED BY...as if it was all of the generation at the same time.

But, the book is interesting...in it's subtypes which probably are some good "food for thought."
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:41 PM
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19. Yes, Baez is not a "boomer".
She's part of my generation, the generation who gave birth to the boomers. I can't believe those kids don't know at least who she is. Makes me feel REALLY old.

I have a new ambition for myself: get out those Seeger, Dylan, Carpenters, Baez, etc... and play them for my grandchildren.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:59 PM
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28. It's a good thing to do. But, you know there's more who like that music than you'd think.
I go to "You Tube" when I want to hear some stuff rather than I-Pod downloads or whatever when I'm cooking and zoning and sometimes I read the replies. What's fascinating is that there are young people listening to stuff from the 50's - early 90's music and they say things like: "Wow, this was a great tune...and it speaks to me and I wish we had music like this around today..." Stuff like that in various different ways of speaking that many yearn for songs that speak to them in a way that isn't the music of today for some of them. And, not saying that Today's Music is inferior...it's just that many of the younger are seeking other than Rap/Brittany Spears Clones/and disconsoance of much of today's music. But, that isn't dissing today's music ...just that some see a different sound and a different message. "Different Stroke for Different Folks." Some like History...some live Now and others live in Future.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:59 PM
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29. LOL,. We saw her perform several years ago along with other gray headed people.

Then played her CDs all through the holidays. Kids and grandkids got their fill .....
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:43 PM
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21. I was born in 1944 so that makes me a War Child.
If she was born after 12/7/41 she is a War Child also.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:46 PM
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22. The "War Babies" are a transition between the Silents and Boomers...
...but 1943 is the dividing line according to social historian William Strauss.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 10:18 PM
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49. My dad was in the USAAF and I was a baby staying with my mom
near an airbase during the height of WORLD WAR TWO so Strauss may peddle his theories elsewhere as far as I am concerned. He's probably a baby boomer anyway.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:47 PM
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23. We "War Childs" have a unique view of things. And we are a small in numbers
Edited on Fri Nov-11-11 08:49 PM by KoKo
generation...TWEENIES is what we were. Wedged between two more sizeable generations. We have a unique view of things...I think. Many of us had friends from both generations and many had depression era parents but were part of families where our younger brothers, sisters and cousins were Boomers.

We had a unique place. We are small but, we still should have a voice...given our perspective that some of us need to still be VOCAL about... is what I'm saying...for what it's worth.

ON EDIT: We are a small generation because the men were off at war and the women were trying to do the best they could...so there was a "gap" in fertility...because of the WAR...
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:00 PM
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30. Hop a long Cassidy!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:04 PM
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32. Big John and Sparkey....Omnibus...Playhouse 90....Gumby....
Edited on Fri Nov-11-11 09:08 PM by KoKo
.........Lone Ranger...and Tonto...(made me read about what had happened to our Native Americans..sad history)... So many others.. "The Man Without a Country," (Cyril Richard...or who was that wonderful old British Geezer who used to do those Radio Shows where he read great literature and had a show at 7:00 p.m.?) The SHADOW...(where I learned to always be skeptical)...Ha Ha...!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:27 PM
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38. I was born in the 50's and I think of her as close enough. Joan Baez
is Joan Baez and in my world, that speaks for itself.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:43 PM
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44. Understand what you say...


Know what you are saying... Good music doesn't just belong to a some demographer's view of what their statistical model says about what a particular numerical set up number of people born in year ____ to year______ is supposed to be categorized by "thought wise." Diversity of taste should be something that is positive!
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 08:54 PM
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27. I'm a Boomer -- 10/13/48 -- and I ain't no has-been!
But I knew you knew that. :hi:




Tansy Gold, who knows most of the words and used to know all the chords, too. .. . and maybe still does.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:09 PM
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33. yep....
:hi: back attcha... and I ain't OLD... I'm Forever Young...like you and the rest of us here...:-)'s!

I loved Peter Pan...!
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:14 PM
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35. For you and me, kiddo
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:48 PM
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46. omg....Isn't that a Beautiful one..."Forever Young." The way she sings this...incredible!
Thanks...!!

:hug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 10:24 PM
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50. The first words my kid said were the lyrics to "DiDa".
He was about one and one day he started singing in the back seat of the car.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:26 PM
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56. I got that you were ironicly quoting KoKo, but the quote stirred up a
hornets nest whiplash of feirce, feisty and still in it to win it, Boomers!

I got to meet Joan in '09 and my younger, slightly buzzed and very dear friend told her how much she loved her because her Mom loved her and how she grew up listening to her mom play Joan Baez records. Then she clumsily apologized to Joan for blurting something that made Joan seem old and Joan laughed. She is a sweet and wise woman who knows where she stands and what she has always stood for: Peace, Love and Non-Violence !

PS I always believed in Peter Pan too.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:11 PM
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34. Take a look at the audience in this video
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:20 PM
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36. Tansy that's fantastic. And, I was at a Bruce Springsteen concert in 2008
Edited on Fri Nov-11-11 09:21 PM by KoKo
here in NC...and most of the audience was all over the place with most I would say mid-40's to down to 20's-30 somethings. The couple in front of us were maybe early 30's and they had followed him up from Florida... It was their third concert. She worked in Real Estate and he was in Banking...(sad to say it was 2008 and they probably lost their jobs by now)...but, they were fanatics for Brucie)...He sung Seeger Songs and Union Songs that night and above the stadium that night a huge "O" came down with a rainbow...leading us to think that Bruce was endorsing Obama...as probably were most of us there thinking he was the NEW REVOLUTION to SAVE US....

It was an incredible night. We were above the "Mosh Pit" that were mostly 20 Somethings which was FULL!

So...Music that resounds and lasts with people is a powerful thing...I think...


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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:22 PM
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37. More
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:31 PM
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40. And more
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:42 PM
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43. It's up to these whippersnappers
to educate themselves about the great music from before their era. I was born in 1955, and took the time to listen to, and read up on, the great blues artists who came many years before I was born.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 09:46 PM
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45. It's incredible the amount of good listening there is out there..and that You Tube
will give snips. I love to read the younger ones just hearing snips of artists back to the even the 40's for the first time and they think it's incredible. I read somewhere that "what's old..becomes new once again." ...think there might be some truth to that. :shrug:
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 10:01 PM
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47. Not the greatest video but well worth the intro banter
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 10:13 PM
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48. OK, Perry is toast
The icing on the cake would be if Johnny Carson rises from the grave to tell a joke about Rick Perry.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 10:26 PM
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51. In the kitchen, 2009, in Farsi, we shall overcome
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thucythucy Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 04:37 PM
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55. Some weren't sure who Baez was?
And this means what, exactly?

Go through any crowd in the world and ask anyone there who "Matthew Lysiak" and "Corky Seimazko" are and see what kind of response you get.

Just another example of vapid, right wing "journalism."
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:49 PM
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57. She's not a has-been.
Baez still rocks.
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