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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:19 AM
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White privilege (pic) (edited)
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 11:58 AM by Brickbat
You know what? I'm going to edit this.

This post originally showed a demotivational-like poster saying "White Privilege" with a photo of Penn State kids rioting and burning something.

The text was "White Privilege: When you can totally destroy everything in sight to defend the honor of an old white guy who raped a bunch of poor black kids...and you're not gonna get killed by police, not matter what you burn down."

That is the post that comments 1-4 are responding to.

I was focusing on the privilege of the rioters, and comments, as you can see, went to the race of the victims. On other boards I'm on, the race of the victims has been discussed a lot, but, I realize now, not confirmed. So that was irresponsible of me.

I don't usually do this kind of "whoopsie, take it back," but I am now, and for that I apologize. I do think there are things to think about regarding race, class and rioting, but this graphic wasn't the way to start that conversation.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:21 AM
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1. If the majority of the victims had been white girls,

the question has to be asked if something would have been done to stop this monster sooner.


Sadly, I think we all know the answer to that question.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:52 AM
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8. Yes, we do know the answer to that.
On campus, a law enforcement system unto itself

After the body of an Eastern Michigan University freshman was found in her dorm room in December 2006, naked from the waist down with a pillow over her head, the chief of the university police said there was no reason to suspect foul play, and let her parents believe she had died of natural causes.

That silence held for more than two months. In that time, the student who was eventually convicted in her murder had free run of a campus where he was previously caught climbing into a window of a university building.

In recent years Marquette University has been accused of mishandling accusations of sexual assault by four athletes, and Arizona State has been faulted in handling a student's rape, allegedly by a football player with a history of sexual aggression on campus.

<snip>

I think we're just on the cusp of breaking the silence, said Colby Bruno, the managing lawyer at the Boston-based Victim Rights Law Center who specializes in cases of sexual assault on campus. But there are a lot of very invidious ways that a school can go about squelching these reports. This is everyone's problem; it's not just a sports problem or a sports-icon problem.


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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:24 AM
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2. Have they released the identities of the victims?
What am I missing here? Why are you making this about race?

Unrec for sheer stupidity.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:50 AM
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6. There are "unconfirmed" reports that the overwhelming majority of the victims were black.


That's what I believe the OP is basing this thread off of.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:27 AM
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3. I can't find that kernel
Is it wearing a red and white hat? :-)
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:28 AM
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4. Let me count the ways
1) Even if we accept that the students who did riot "totally destroyed everything in sight," the notion that they were "defending the honor" of Sandusky is just silly. Students were clearly angry about the treatment of Paterno by the Board.

2) If these were Second Mile kids from the surrounding communities, the chances that they were African Americans is exceedingly slim. Far more likely, they were poor and disadvantaged white kids.

Dumbest post on this matter yet. Unrec for know-nothingness.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:47 AM
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5. Did you see the interview with the mother of Victim #1?
You need to start getting more reliable information. It's obvious she's not black.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:52 AM
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7. not to be argumentative but,
that doesn't mean anything.

I don't know whether the kid is black or not, but I can tell you that I'm white as can be and MY son is 100% African American black. So, you can't really make that kind of statement, ya know?
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:59 AM
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9. It offers far more proof of race
than anything else on this thread has.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:43 PM
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11. I'm sorry -
are you incapable of admitting you made as much a "rush to judgement" as you're accusing everyone else of?
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:46 PM
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12. What rush to judgement?
I have pointed out that no one knows the race of the victims, but that one of the victim's mothers is white. Which is a fact.

Do you have a problem with stating facts?
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:51 PM
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13. And I pointed out that the fact the mother is white
doesn't mean jack. . . which you fail to admit.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 12:57 PM
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14. I felt that it was very worth pointing out
given the offensive nature of the original picture and commentary, which the OP has now edited.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 01:03 PM
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:27 PM
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26. and I felt your inept rush to judgement worth
pointing out as well.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 01:02 PM
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15. btw - I just looked at that video
and it's NOT "obvious she's not black". In fact, I think she IS. Look at her hair.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 01:06 PM
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17. I did n/t
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 01:22 PM
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18. haven't seen too many black people
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 01:22 PM by mzteris
up close and personal, have ya?

edit typo
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:15 PM
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SomethingFishy Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:01 PM
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22. White people can't have black children?
Shit someone better tell Obama....
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:28 PM
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27. exactly . . .
I'm very white, my son very black. He is not biracial.

Besides, check out the video, i'm not so sure she's "white" anyways.......
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:59 AM
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10. Your edit shows that you're a stand up person.
A lot of people would have just deleted and asked for a lock. We all make a whoopsie now and then. How we react shows our character. :thumbsup:
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 02:57 PM
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21. That's kind of you to say, and I appreciate it.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 01:24 PM
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19. What the FUCK is with the obsession and speculation about the race of the victims?
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 01:26 PM by Nye Bevan
I really don't give a shit whether the victims were white, black, Hispanic, Asian, or anything else. Child rape is a horrendous crime REGARDLESS of what race the victims happened to be. It's unbelievable that DUers are bickering with each other over whether one of the victims was black, based upon the what the mother's hair looks like. Let's just focus on the horrific crime and stop playing with hypothetical scenarios to try to make some kind of political point.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 01:51 PM
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20. Its an issue because there are 2 justice systems in our country


One is black and brown.

The other is white.


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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:17 PM
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24. It's not an issue here, until the race of the victims is confirmed. And even then it's not really an
issue other than with people who like to shit-stir over every possible angle of what is a straight-forward, and horrific, story.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:30 PM
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28. +1000.
most people of privilege still don't "get" that.

The crime is horrendous regardless of the color of the child.

The level of investigation? - well most of us know it IS directly proportional to the race of the victim and/or perp. A sad fact, but a true fact.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:32 PM
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29. Roman Polanski anally raped a white child.
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 11:32 PM by Nye Bevan
And he had plenty of defenders (Whoopi "it wasn't rape-rape" Goldberg for one).
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:46 PM
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30. and, your point? n/t
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:50 PM
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31. You seem to be claiming that rapists of white children are treated more harshly.
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 11:50 PM by Nye Bevan
Not true in the case of Roman Polanski.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 01:07 AM
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33. But Roman Polanski
Edited on Sun Nov-13-11 01:07 AM by mzteris
was a "Star!"

Generally speaking, your first statement is probably true.

edit: left out a word

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 04:24 PM
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25. Change the text to "raped a bunch of kids" and you've got a great poster, IMO!
I think you're really on to something considering the difference between how the cops at OWS demonstrations have behaved and here!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 11:50 PM
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32. I didn't want to bring this up but...
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 11:55 PM by Catherine Vincent
I couldn't understand why this huge 28 year old wouldn't try and save this child from being sexually abused. Then I figured it was because he didn't know the kid and it wasn't anyone related to him. If that is his reasoning then he is a very sad individual. He should have rescued him whether he was related or if they were non-caucasian.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 01:21 AM
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34. The college kids are supporting PATERNO. It was SANDUSKY that abused the kids.

The media sure has done a fine job of making Paterno out to be a worse person than the actual RAPIST SANDUSKY !!!


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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 06:33 PM
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36. He may not be "worse"
but he's culpable.

How many children could he have saved from this monster?
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 02:10 AM
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35. I noticed a major news service calling the riots, 'quasi riots.' Really? I saw the news car flipped.
On its side, why isn't that a riot?

And as far as the race or gender of the victims, it's more about economic class than anything else. Could they have bought silence or intimidated children from stable, wealthy homes?

No, these children were targeted because they were disadvantaged. The same forces that create the trouble in the communities causing poverty, come to take the very last vestige of dignity from the poor.

It's a more complicated to pull this stuff than it was in the days of old when the local aristocracy obtained the newest peasant bride for the first night because of power, wealth and privileges. If you don't get to own your own body, there is very little left for you feel empowered about or advance in life.

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