Jerry Sandusky was released from jail without putting up one penny..

[Fumesucker]

I've heard a lot of people say that Jerry Sandusky was released on bail.

Perhaps that's true technically but the actual reality is he paid nothing at all to get out of jail.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sandusky_released_on_bail_judg.html

Jerry Sandusky has been arraigned on 40 counts of sex crimes related to boys, and was released on $100,000 unsecured bail -- meaning he won't have to pay unless he doesn't show up for court.

[slackmaster]

1. All child molesters are created equal

But some are more equal than others.

[Quartermass]

2. sports is more important.

To some people sports are more important than justice.

[MH1]

11. What does 'sports' have to do with it at this point?

What kind of bail arrangement Sandusky got doesn't have anything to do with what is happening to Penn State as a result of this scandal. The only outcome for Sandusky that would have any further effect on Penn State is if somehow he were completely, unambiguously exonerated. Not an outcome I expect, obviously. So what the hell does this have to do with sports anymore?

[Dawson Leery]

3. Jerry is a person with influence. See how "fair" the world is?

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Released to go home to his house that is right next to an elementary school

More sick details in this case emerge every day.

[tblue]

5. What could possibly justify that?

There is ZERO concern for children.

[Journeyman]

6. Accidents are more difficult in jail. . .

[inna]

7. Fumesucker: Is it Sandusky's pic in your sig? Or is it you?

Been meaning to ask you about it since I first saw your new sig. :)

[Fumesucker]

9. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi

[inna]

15. Thanks! Great cause; I wish you included some sort of a link or at least his name in your sig.

It's hard to guess whom the pic represents; even for those who are very interested in (and well read about) the Arab Spring.

Not meant as a criticism at all... and it's a very cool pic to have in one's sig.

[Fumesucker]

17. Not just Arab Spring.. He's responsible for the spark that's igniting the Western Fall..

AKA OWS..

[inna]

21. From your keyboard to God's ear. :) And even a better reason to include his name or link...

[trueblue2007]

8. he is a monster

[doublethink]

10. What is wrong with this picture ......

Besides not paying a cent to be out ....
Sandusky lives right next to an elementary school ... see this thread with a picture of his home and the school ......
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2293037

The judges statement who let him out without putting a cent down on bail said this "District Judge Lesilie Dutchcot ordered the Penn State football coaching legend and children's charity founder not to have any contact with children." :eyes:

Gee even in the 23 page indictment his higher ups (also charged in this mess) told him not to bring children onto the campus, etc.. that worked well :sarcasm:

Lastly just to raise more blood pressure around here ... it was reported that Sandusky was out 'shopping' yesterday ho hum life goes on for this guy like no big deal ....
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_penn_state_weirdest_game_ever111111

Final Score From Game Just Ended: Nebraska 17 Penn State 14 .... not that this really mattered but .... :crazy:

[Fumesucker]

12. And meanwhile McQueary is in protective custody due to death threats.. n/t

[Ruby the Liberal]

20. Actually, that was a joke.

He said that to his players in a conference call trying to 'lighten the mood' after the announcement that he was going on (paid) leave.

Seems to me that 'joke' fell a bit flat.

Not many in the joking mood about this.

[beac]

23. I hadn't heard that it was a joke,

Do you have a link?

If true, it's more proof of McQueary's emotional bankruptcy that he could make a "joke" likely to distress and agitate his former players.

[Ruby the Liberal]

33. It was one of the local sites.

He also said he was drinking "two fisted".

Sorry - saw it last night and didn't bookmark it.

[beac]

36. Found it (or rather a reference to it).

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/11/mcqueary-in-protective-custody-double-fisting-it/related

Confirms his deplorable attempt at humor.

Note the part where they later deleted his reference to binge drinking to deal w/the situation.

McQueary doesn't seem to know how to behave appropriately in any stressful situation.



Thanks for bringing the "joke" to our attention.

[Ruby the Liberal]

39. Thanks for the updated link!

[Ruby the Liberal]

22. Shopping at Dick's Sporting Goods?

Where the Brady law doesn't apply? :tinfoilhat:

They need to lock this guy up (were it only possible) if they ever hope to get to the sordid bottom of this.

[gordianot]

13. Prison promises to be an enlightening experience where he will be just another "chomo".

[hedgehog]

14. Anyone seriously think he's going anywhere? If I were him, I'd be asking for protective custody!

[Fumesucker]

16. McQueary is already under protective custody..

And I'd be willing to bet that's it's because he opened his mouth, not because he walked away.

Democratic Congressman Joe Sestak just equated the firing of Joe Paterno to the killing of Gaddafi..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2292425

[inna]

18. I have hard time even trying to guess WTF was the judge thinking.

It's pretty outrageous and a total breach of protocol, no matter how one looks at it.

[riderinthestorm]

34. She's involved with Sandusky's foundation! Doesn't this seem like a conflict of interest? nt

[Peregrine Took]

19. I heard that he was out shopping at an athletic store and was seen exercising

with his wife.

Isn't he a huge flight risk???

[beac]

25. He could pull a Ken Lay OR

he could enjoy a few more weeks of shopping and freedom and then kill himself. He's a coward and there's no reason to believe he won;t take a coward's way out. I am sure TPTB are praying he will.

His victims deserve their day in court and the judge had a duty to see that they'll get it. I am STUNNED that he doesn't at least have an ankle monitor.

[doublethink]

29. On page 20 of the indictment ....

Sandusky states to a mother questioning him about this crap back in 1998 .... "I understand I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead" end quote ....
page 20 here ... http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF

WTF? is right .... the guy stated back in 1998 he might be a suicide risk ... yet he is out awaiting trial etc... sometime in 2011? It's almost like the system let him out hoping he would do just that suicide himself .... either that or the justice is blind privileged/cult you name it explanation is in affect..... bizarre. :freak:

[beac]

31. Yes. I read the indictment yesterday and I also concluded he's a high risk for suicide.

I'm sure there are many who think Sandusky offing himself would be the "best thing" and are hoping he'll do it so it can all be swept under the rug again.

[doublethink]

32. Couple other things I just found out snooping around ...

District Judge Lesilie Dutchcot does volunteer stuff for ... The Second Mile according to her law firm profile here ...
http://www.centrelaw.com/attorney-profiles/detail.php?id=1

Also this ....

... Sandusky remained on the foundation’s payroll as a consultant at $57,000 a year from at least 2001 until 2007, and was also listed as a board member most of those years, according to IRS filings. He retired from the foundation in 2010. -snip
link here ... http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-11/paterno-assistant-s-foundation-grew-as-sex-allegations-persisted.html

Couldn't find her Dutchcot in the donor list in their Anual report though ... here ....
http://www.thesecondmile.org/aboutUs.php

maybe I'll do some more snooping around later ... no smoking gun on anything so far hahaha ... interesting though.

[beac]

35. I saw that link b/c Dutchcot and Second Mile on another thread.

I believe she is a volunteer, so that wouldn't show up on any donation lists.

I would think her association w/Sandusky's charity would be a reason for the judge to recuse herself from anything to do w/the case.

An unsecured release looks suspicious to me.

[Mnemosyne]

38. He wished he was dead for being caught, not for the harm he's done. n/t

[Eddie Haskell]

24. He was at the game.

[beac]

26. .

:wtf:

Where did you hear this?

[newspeak]

28. and all I can think about is the victims of this alleged predator

What I'm reading is there are some more angry that the incidences got out, than what he did to these children. And, that to me, is just plain sick!!!

First allegation, I believe, went to the DA's office. I can just imagine how they interviewed Sandusky. I remember a case where the father was molesting his very young daughter and the mother and grandmother were calling her a liar-she was six years old. Or the old line that the child "tempted" the perpetrator.

I see how serious the judicial system in PA is taking this-not very serious at all. Of course, the first victim went to the DA and apparently nothing happened.

[gauguin57]

66. Indeed. And the D.A. in question, Ray Gricar, disappeared a few years later.

His car, laptop and damaged hard drive were found -- no trace of him has ever turned up. Just one more weird aspect to this whole sordid story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/ray-gricar-missing-jerry-sandusky-pennsylvania-da_n_1088950.html?ref=sports&ir=Sports

[MADem]

27. I'm betting his home is worth more. They'd just attach it. nt

[Fumesucker]

30. Unsecured..

It is possible to put up a property deed for bail but that's not what happened here as far as I can tell.

I wonder who actually is on the title to the house?

It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out his wife is the sole owner.

[DefenseLawyer]

37. Bail should be based on whether the accused is a flight risk

Not on whether you like him or not. Sorry.

[EFerrari]

40. Flight being only one possible kind of risk to the public.

This pedophile should not be out on bail.

[DefenseLawyer]

41. Conviction by mob without trial?

How progressive. Let's hold him without bail. Let's put him on the rack til he confesses. It's amazing how otherwise reasonable people lose all sense of reason when they feel like they have the moral high ground. "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons." - Dostoevsky

[riderinthestorm]

42. I presume you are a lawyer from your username. The judge is a participant in Sandusky's organization

She volunteers at his foundation.

This seems off to me. Frankly, I confess, I have no ideas on bail. I'm a farmer so I'm not savvy on the ways of how one judges such things. But since the judge IS involved in Sandusky's foundation, it seems weird....

Do you know how much bail someone like Pastor Eddie Long got (another prominent pedophile, akin to Sandusky)?

[lunatica]

69. Good question. I'd like to know too

[tabasco]

45. You need to be convicted to have to actually pay bail?

Wow, I didn't know that. You sure are some legal expert. :dunce:

[DefenseLawyer]

47. If we actually have a presumption of innocence

(which we obviously don't, at least among my fellow "liberals" here at DU) but pretend we do- humor me. If we actually have a presumption of innocence, jail pending trial, because it is obviously punitive in nature, should be a last resort. Bail should only set has high as is necessary to assure the defendant will appear for trial. It has nothing to do with how "obviously guilty" the person is or how hated he is by you, except as those matters might impact his risk of flight. My reference to conviction by the mob was in response to my friend referring to the man as a "pedophile". That he may be or he may not be, what he is now is an accused pedophile. If he is fairly tried and convicted he will get what's coming to him. Until then he deserves the presumption of innocence that none of you wonderful people give two goddamns about.

[Fumesucker]

49. There wasn't any bail..

You keep saying bail but he didn't pay a single penny..

And now we find that the judge is connected with Sandusky's foundation..

What do you say to that?

[DefenseLawyer]

50. If he's not a flight risk there is no need for bail

What you folks are saying without saying it is "Fuck that guy, he should start rotting in jail right the fuck now". But bail should not be about punishment, no matter how much you wish it was. If the judge is convinced that he isn't going anywhere, that he can't go anywhere, he SHOULD be OR'ed. As for the judge, if there is a conflict of interest and the judge does not recuse herself, rest assured the prosecution will take all possible steps to have the judge removed. And, if the state continues to believe he is a flight risk, they would of course ask any new judge to reconsider the bail. You don't have to like child abuse to like due process. Really.

[Fumesucker]

51. Why would he not be a flight risk?

He has the financial resources and I have not heard of his passport being sequestered?

[DefenseLawyer]

52. Move to Pennsylvania and run for judge

You can set everyone's bond at a billion dollars and feel secure in the fact that you are good and moral and you hate child abuse. Kinda like the people that built a prison at Guantanamo feel good and moral and hate terrorists. Those questions you have asked are answered in court. The judge whose job it is to decide the issue did so. The poor little state of Pennsylvania probably has the resources to make sure the people's interests are protected. The bottom line in all the "outrage" about bond is that it pisses you off that the guy isn't suffering yet and you think he should be.

[Fumesucker]

53. No, I think he's both a flight risk and a suicide risk..

I also think that the judge was not impartial since she did volunteer work for the foundation created by Sandusky.

Sandusky has already said he wished he were dead.

Frankly I think there's a lot of very powerful people in that town who would be very pleased and relived if Sandusky were to disappear or otherwise be unavailable for trial.

We all know if it was a black janitor that was accused of what Sandusky is that man would not have been released on what amounts to his own recognizance.

[EFerrari]

55. Morality has nothing to do with it. He's a risk to children.

And I doubt this man will ever see the inside of any prison Dostoevsky would disapprove of.

[DefenseLawyer]

57. Yes of course. The Children

Anyone who dares to suggest due process for this guy hates children, and I hate to say it (but you know it's true) is probably a child molester too.

[EFerrari]

67. Why shouldn't anyone's children be afforded the same protection

his own grandchildren are getting?

[JoeyT]

43. Liking him or not has nothing to do with it.

He has resources to flee and a hell of a lot of people that would gladly help him escape or hide.

I'm guessing "Yeah, sure, don't worry about bail. Just turn up for trial or whatever." isn't the attitude with other people that are accused of molesting children. So there's also the special treatment angle.

[Fumesucker]

48. There wasn't any bail..

He was basically released on his own recognizance, but it was phrased to sound like bail.

[waddirum]

54. no... it's based on the seriousness of the crime

Paying $0 for bail is horrendous. Plus he is not confined to his house or required to wear an ankle monitor.

[DefenseLawyer]

56. No... it's not

Rule 523. Release Criteria.

(A) To determine whether to release a defendant, and what conditions, if any, to impose, the bail authority shall consider all available information as that information is relevant to the defendant’s appearance or nonappearance at subsequent proceedings, or compliance or noncompliance with the conditions of the bail bond.


That is the actual Pennsylvania LAW that applies in the case. Crazy, I know- when it doesn't say anything about stomping him into the ground in lieu of bail, which is the DU approach to justice. Take heart though, you should use this case as a springboard to get DU to do everything we can to push for fewer rights for the accused. Fuck them. They are NOT good people like us.

[waddirum]

58. I stand corrected

Thanks.

[Spazito]

59. You left out quite a bit attached to Rule 523...

To determine whether to release a defendant, and what conditions, if any, to impose, the bail authority shall consider all available information as that information is relevant to the defendant’s appearance or nonappearance at subsequent proceedings, or compliance or noncompliance with the conditions of the bail bond, including information about:

(1) the nature of the offense charged and any mitigating or aggravating factors that may bear upon the likelihood of conviction and possible penalty;

(2) the defendant’s employment status and history, and financial condition;

(3) the nature of the defendant’s family relationships;

(4) the length and nature of the defendant’s residence in the community, and any past residences;

(5) the defendant’s age, character, reputation, mental condition, and whether addicted to alcohol or drugs;

(6) if the defendant has previously been released on bail, whether he or she appeared as required and complied with the conditions of the bail bond;

(7) whether the defendant has any record of flight to avoid arrest or prosecution, or of escape or attempted escape;

(8) the defendant’s prior criminal record;

(9) any use of false identification; and

(10) any other factors relevant to whether the defendant will appear as required and comply with the conditions of the bail bond.

(B) The decision of a defendant not to admit culpability or not to assist in an investigation shall not be a reason to impose additional or more restrictive conditions of bail on the defendant.

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/234/chapter5/s523.html

Note the criteria includes "The nature of the offense charged and any mitigating or aggravating factors that may bear upon the likelihood of conviction and possible penalty.

[DefenseLawyer]

62. "as that information it is relevant to the defendant's appearance or nonappearance"

"at subsequent proceedings." It is difficult to accept, I know.

[Spazito]

63. It seems you are unaware that....

" When deciding whether to release a defendant on bail and what conditions of release to impose, the bail authority must consider all the criteria provided in this rule, rather than considering, for example, only the designation of the offense or the fact that the defendant is a nonresident."

[DefenseLawyer]

65. Consider all crieria as they relate to appearance or nonappearance

I am only aware of what it says.

[EFerrari]

68. One of the conditions being, refraining from criminal activity.

Is it reasonable to expect a pedophile to refrain from pedophilia when he is out on bail?

[Cerridwen]

60. Is bail only about "flight risk" or can it include "threat to the community"?

Serious question. I don't know that answer and I didn't stay in a <whatever> motel and I'm pretty sure TV lawyers aren't good models for the law.

[DefenseLawyer]

64. In my state, Indiana, the statute specifically allows both to be considered

Risk of flight and danger to the community. The Pennsylvania statute appears to have no such provision, which means that bail or lack there of would be determined by the likelihood, in the judge's view, that he would appear. Of course he's not actually OR'ed, he forfeits $100 grand if he fails to appear. I'm sure the thinking is that the whole world is watching his every move and there nowhere for him to go. They are probably also concerned about being liable for his safety in a local jail and frankly the media circus that would overwhelm the place.

[autorank]

44. k*r

Yep, but they have him in a "safe house" of sorts. To me, that reads, they are doing a serious debrief and telling him
what the deal is...take the rap and shut you mouth.

[Bethany Rockafella]

46. I'm surprised a mob hasn't stormed to his house and demand

he be placed in jail.

[tuckessee]

61. In State College, Pa. they only get mobs up to support pedophile enablers. n/t

[Nye Bevan]

70. I hope he doesn't escape to Switzerland.

The Europeans are reluctant to extradite people who anally rape children, like Roman Polanski.