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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:27 PM
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Obama said the most important thing he can do as president is express solidarity with the protesters
Posted as a reply in another thread, posted as OP per request. FWIW.

Oct 2011
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/obama-occupy-wall-street-not-that-different-from-tea-party-protests
Obama said the most important thing he can do as president is express solidarity with the protesters and redouble his commitment to achieving what he described as a more egalitarian society.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:34 PM
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1. Thanks; we need to see this.
The most important thing we can do right now is those of us in leadership letting people know that we understand their struggles and we are on their side, and that we want to set up a system in which hard work, responsibility, doing what youre supposed to do, is rewarded, Obama said. And that people who are irresponsible, who are reckless, who dont feel a sense of obligation to their communities and their companies and their workers that those folks arent rewarded.

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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:39 PM
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3. I need to see action
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:45 PM
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7. We need to get rid of incumbent repug congress critters, + some dinos.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:46 PM
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9. Thank you! x 1000! eom
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:48 PM
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10. YVW, Cali, + thx for your #6.
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 09:49 PM by elleng
:hi:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:51 PM
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11. +10000
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:54 PM
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19. He is afraid to really stick his neck out unless he has troops behind him??
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:03 PM by Angry Dragon
I keep on seeing and hearing how the President has said 'Yes we can' not 'Yes he can'
and when we said this is the way to go he changed the path.
Now I would like someone to tell me why I should follow someone that is going in a direction that I do not wish to follow......
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:59 PM
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23. You are upset because Pres Obama didn't say "yes can can"? THAT is the way to go?
What? If you don't want to follow the "yes we can" path, opt for the "yes can can" path, well, dance on.

What?
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:04 PM
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28. I changed it to what I meant to write ........... sorry
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:06 PM
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29. thanks, it seemed odd. Made for a funny visual though. Off to read it.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:58 PM
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77. Whar you (and we all) need is a Democrat in the White House in 2013 !
That's Obama's game, and I for one am fully behind that!
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:09 PM
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34. Would the people who want Obama to stay out of things..
still think that if protestors were being beaten and thrown out for good? I would hope so. That's why the President should start now before things get worse.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:23 PM
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47. He has NO AUTHORITY over town/city/state matters,
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:24 PM by elleng
and he's done as much as he can by expressing support. People don't WANT him to 'stay out of things,' people recognize that he's not a king!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x816763
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:27 PM
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51. I think he should offer an opinion on this
I realize he's not s King but the President IS pretty powerful.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:28 PM
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53. If federal agencies are dispensing tactical and planning advice to
local law enforcement, and advising local law enforcement to evit protesters at a time when the press was the least likely to be present, another blow is struck against a democratic free America. Seems like the President's advisors might let him know this federal intervention may just backfire - unrest isn't always peaceful.
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Over the past ten days, more than a dozen cities have moved to evict "Occupy" protesters from city parks and other public spaces. As was the case in last night's move in New York City, each of the police actions shares a number of characteristics. And according to one Justice official, each of those actions was coordinated with help from Homeland Security, the FBI and other federal police agencies.

The official, who spoke on background to me late Monday evening, said that while local police agencies had received tactical and planning advice from national agencies, the ultimate decision on how each jurisdiction handles the Occupy protests ultimately rests with local law enforcement.

According to this official, in several recent conference calls and briefings, local police agencies were advised to seek a legal reason to evict residents of tent cities, focusing on zoning laws and existing curfew rules. Agencies were also advised to demonstrate a massive show of police force, including large numbers in riot gear. In particular, the FBI reportedly advised on press relations, with one presentation suggesting that any moves to evict protesters be coordinated for a time when the press was the least likely to be present.



Continue reading on Examiner.com Update: 'Occupy' crackdowns coordinated with federal law enforcement officials - Minneapolis Top News | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-minneapolis/were-occupy-crackdowns-aided-by-federal-law-enforcement-agencies#ixzz1dpojYv2d?du
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:30 PM
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55. I really wouldn't be surprised
I'm not saying Obama is in on this one, but that would be all the more reason to at least say something.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #1
95. Wow, thanks! I'll be a little less ticked off tonight.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:36 PM
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2. This is just like Wisconsin
I remember the criticism of the President for letting that be a Wisconsin thing.

For this issue, it's even more ridiculous.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:39 PM
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4. That criticism mostly came from those NOT from Wisconsin.
Here, we did not want our issues to become about Obama because had he become involved in the issue in this state that is what would have happened.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:43 PM
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6. Exactly. But too many don't understand that simple truth. eom
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #2
39. That was one state .......... this is the whole country
He has to decide if he wants to lead or not,
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #39
115. It's not "the whole country"
It's local in each instance.

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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:42 PM
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5. Obama says a lot and does little.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Only to those who wouldn't give him credit even if he had fixed this country with a magic wand. eom
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:51 PM
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12. IF he'd fixed the country with or without a magic wand, there would be credit to give.
As it stands, he's only good at talking.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Excuse me that's a republican talking point
totally unsupported
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:57 PM
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:01 PM
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25. You insult yet refuse to answer. What would you like him to do regarding OWS?
What would you like him to do about OWS? Serious question.

Since you complain he does little, wat would you like him to do?
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:06 PM
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31. Tell the Feds to butt out, Tell the Mayors to allow free speech and peaceful
protests. or simply remain quiet. Instead his DHS coordinated this nationwide crack down this weekend according to a number of sources and strongly hinted at by Oakland's mayor.

You insult yourself simply by where you choose to stand.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:09 PM
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35. You assume too much. About a lot of us. Do you really want to spend your time and energy
getting into a "I'm more liberal than you" cred fight? Well, go for it. I'd rather be out OWSing.

Do you seriously want the president to call Mayors and tell them to "allow free speech", whatever that means? Seriously? Which should he call?

I'd like to see proof of your assertion that " his DHS coordinated this nationwide crack down this weekend" as I haven't seen that. Want to share or just insult back?
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:13 PM
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40. You're absolutely right, actually. Obama is completely impotent.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. AH, you are a dichotomous thinker. thanks for clarifying that. Too bad you don't
answer questions.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:18 PM
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45. You said it, I simply agreed. And I have answered you just don't like my answers.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:22 PM
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46. Nope, you didn't. Here... You just agreed that it's f*ing difficult to get congress to do anything.
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:24 PM by uppityperson
Do you seriously want the president to call Mayors and tell them to "allow free speech", whatever that means? Which should he call? What should he say? "allow free speech" hangup? What authority do you think he has over Mayors, over city issues?

I'd like to see proof of your assertion that " his DHS coordinated this nationwide crack down this weekend" as I haven't seen that. Want to share or just insult back?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:29 PM
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54. The POTUS stays out of it until he needs to get into it.
I agree with you, he's neither going to tell mayors what to do nor tell them what not to do.

Unless it gets really ugly, it's not in his job description AND he knows better, politically.

So far, IMHO, this has been working mostly in our favor without his involvement either way!

:kick:
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:33 PM
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58. Seeing reason, he can't tell people what do do and make..
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:34 PM by mvd
them do it. But this is a 1st Amendment issue and he can stand up for the rights of the protestors, IMO. Nothing harmed politically by offering an opinion on how this was wrong.
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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. People who spout this are like birthers. No matter what happen the President does he's still
a do-nothing hand sitter....
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:25 PM
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49. Someone disagrees so you say "You must be a 1%." Hahahahahahaha
If someone disagrees, they are rich and by definition "evil"! O. M. G.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:45 PM
Original message
For the most part, rich is evil. Hmmmf. Either handed to them or made off the backs of others.
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:46 PM by lonestarnot
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #17
66. What bullshit!
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:44 PM by lonestarnot
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #66
129. Still haven't learned the lessons from November 2010, have you?
Even a donkey won't hit its head on the same stone twice.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #12
128. I repeat:
Only to those who wouldn't give him credit even if he had fixed this country with a magic wand.

And I add: Sadly, you're one of them.

If you can't see what he's done to stop this country from falling of a cliff, well, maybe it's you who's the problem. Not him.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #8
26. Oh please--magic wand! How about his magic mouth!
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:03 PM by CoffeeCat
For once, I'd like to hear a beautiful, hope-filled speech---one where he stands in front of
columns and commands our attention and unites us all---about how the OWS protesters clearly
want corporate corruption out of government and how we all need to support them in restoring
our democracy.

Obama is fully capable of taking up the OWS banner---and giving speeches all over the country that
would unite this country under a couple of the OWS beliefs--that the middle class is losing and
the rich are prospering; and that corporate corruption and cronyism has destroyed our democracy.

Because Obama knows those things are true. Our democracy is dying. Our politicians don't represent
us--they represent the corporations.

We heard amazing speech after speech from Obama in the 2008 campaign, yet he is speechless when "We
The People" are fighting like hell for our country--as our government is being engulfed by greedy
corporations and corrupt politicians.

Obama could do it--we know he's capable because we've seen him unite the country and give us all
hope. He doesn't want to do it.

Magic wand...oh please! No one expects a magic wand---but saying SOMETHING (ANYTHING!!!) as this
country and the people of this country--go down in flames---would certainly help!!

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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. Ding ding ding! Your patience for actually take the time to explain
to the 1%ers on here is so admirable, but don't get your hopes up, they aren't listening.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #33
67. I don't say it for them...
...I say it for the others who read their nonsense.

I don't want the ridiculosity to go unchallenged.

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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #67
79. Well once again, absolute respect for the time and patience it must take.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #26
37. The "magic wand" thing is a canard intended to stifle debate. n/t
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #26
105. Excellent points!

unfortunately he's been bullied by the Republicans, or compromised, or distracted playing golf with them.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #26
116. +1
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #26
119. exactly!
unfortunately, this rationale will fall on deaf ears, not just here...but obviously at the WH too

Our POTUS is a Constitutional Scholar, won the Nobel PEACE Prize...and yet there's NO COMMENT regarding the past week's violence?

and this scrap of a generic comment that people bandy about like he has said all he needs to say on the subject was given long BEFORE the coordinated attacks of the past 72+hours...


I am furious, saddened, disillusioned...but somehow not surprised. the country is changing, and the ones we are struggling against are going to end up also being the ones we THOUGHT were on our side all along...because they really only answer to POWER & MONEY
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #26
125. that way people here could say "just another pretty speech"?
guys damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

it's a pretty odd way to frame things. no matter what he does, he sucks, and you always get to be pissed off... a win-win for some i guess...
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 03:18 AM
Response to Reply #26
130. Oh please!
People still don't get it that the President IS NOT A DICTATOR. I guess they're still suffering Republican Unitary Executive Syndrome.

People like you, as intelligent as I'm assuming you are, still don't seem to have the ability to understand that our president is just ONE branch of government. He can't do ANYTHING without Congress. CONGRESS is the most powerful branch in our government, NOT the president.

So if you, and others like you, are disappointed in President Obama because things aren't progressing fast enough, I hope you'll remember that anger when it comes time to vote for your state's Senators and U.S. Reps.

Why is it so hard for you to see he's been up against an entrenched, pro-corporate Congress when the proof was in the pudding the moment they denied him the $80 million to close Gitmo and bring the prisoners into this country for trial? 90-6, in the Senate, where he had at least 58 Democrats, voted it DOWN.

Please tell me you're not that naive.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. What would you like him to do about OWS? Serious question.
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:01 PM by uppityperson
Since you complain he does little, wat would you like him to do?

Edited for typo
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #14
32. Personally, I would like him, with all the power of the Oval Office, to
squeeze congress into passing a constitutional amendment, outlawing campaign donations, lobbying, using money/other in any way to influence any public official, and corporate personhood. As well as rendering the Citizen's United SCOTUS decison moot.

Squeeze them every waking hour until they do it.

Make it public every day. What needs to be done in order to attain genuine democracy is pretty much obvious to every reasonable person.

Hopefully, therefore, it should be obvious to the President of the United States.

Get. Wall. Street. Out. Of. Our. Government.

That is what needs to be the highest priority of our President

Get. Wall. Street. Out. Of. Our. Government.

I hope this message is clear; it should be clear, it is very simple, and is double spaced in emboldened letters.




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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. THIS congress? HOW can he make them do ANYTHING when they automatically
block EVERYTHING?

What needs to be done is the president needs to override congress. Seriously?

I agree with your bold lettered message. I just don't see how Pres Obama can force anything through congress, at least anything that I like. It is REALLY frustrating, but I don't see how he can "squeeze them...until they do it". Have you ideas how? I'd like it to happen, but don't know how to make it. Do you?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #41
60. He can't force anything, true. What he can definitely do is create a national dialogue.
Publicly. Harp on it every day. Expose Congress for their shameless acceptance of bribes. Address them directly. Every week.

Make it plain that he knows what must be done, and is determined to do it.

That will up his cred with voters immensely.

It could make me seriously love him if he is sincere.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #60
71. How often does he talk with congress, in part or full? How could he prove he was
sincere?

I am also very frustrated at how bad things have gotten and at the slowness of any sort of recovery in any area. Congress REALLY frustrates me, both the automatically blocking repubs and the dinos.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #71
83. Just. Do. It.
No excuses.

President Obama:

"Hey Congress, yeah, you! Me and all the rest of the American people want you to pass this constitutional amendment. Like right now. Get your sorry asses to work and get it done."

Or something like that.

Just do it.

Make it plain. Make it simple. Make it public.

Just do it. It's not rocket science or alchemy.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. He. Has. Done. That. With. Many. Bills. You. Didn't. Answer. My. Questions.
I would LOVE if congress would do something, if they would listen to what Obama has proposed. How often does he talk with congress, in part or full? How could he prove he was sincere?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #85
97. I have never heard of Obama asking congress to pass a constitutional
amendment of the nature being discussed here. I have never heard of him proposing this to congress.

If you know of any such information, could you please post a link? I can't find one anywhere.

Has he, to your knowledge, asked congress to pass a constitutional amendment of this nature?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #97
122. I'd like to see IF you can answer my questions Since you never have but deflect.
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 06:14 PM by uppityperson


How often does he talk with congress, in part or full? How could he prove he was sincere?

Re-edited since no, you didn't answer these questions.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #83
102. Do you know the process for amending the constitution?

And then he's supposed to go to each state legislature and do this?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #102
108. Yes. I do understand the process, but you seem to be missing the point.
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 01:56 AM by Zorra
I'll try to make this clear:

We live in an information age. Rapid mass communication The President can create a national dialogue by repeatedly, directly, and publicly requesting on national television that congress draft and pass this constitutional amendment.

He does not need to approach every congressman, senator, or state legislator.

If he repeatedly, directly, and publicly requests that congress pass such an amendment, all congresspersons, senators, and state legislators will quickly know about it. Everyone will know about it.

The amendment is necessary, this fact is obvious to many voters, even some conservatives.

Congress would have to explain why it refuses to draft and pass such an amendment.

Something they can't do without lying, unless they confess that Wall St. is paying them too much to consider drafting an amendment of this nature.

Pressure. Transparency. The President has the largest bully pulpit in the world.

He can use it to pressure congress to do the will of the people.

If they refuse, they lose. Because their refusal will be against our wishes, and in our plain sight.

No excuses.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #71
99. Proposing a specific constitutional
amendment to congress is not the same as simply "talking to congress".

Recovery is not the issue I was speaking of.

The issue is the President approaching congress with a serious request to pass a constitutional amendment of the nature previously discussed here.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #41
86. Shame is a powerful tool
Obama could use the bully pulpit to craft a beautiful argument for getting corporate money out of politics, an argument so eloquent that it would equate the republicans with the 1% for a generation, but he won't because he's owned by the same corporate interests that own the republicans.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. Not for the repubs. You really think they are capable of being shamed by Pres Obama?
Michelle Bachman, for example. I don't.

I fear that not just congress but people are so divided, so polarized, so dichotomous that we will fall further and further into darkness. I am a cynic. But I don't see any speech Pres Obama could give shaming many into doing what he would like. I see too many all so happy at Reagan/bush/bush/bush/bush/bush yrs, at the dictatorial mode that happened then.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. I was talking about making people
too ashamed to vote for them.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. That would be nice, if it could happen. I hope some are getting there.
Again, I am a cynic. Doesn't mean I don't try, can't stop, just that I have a cynical view of humankind. We've come so far, technologically, in such a short time. And socially, psychologically, etc, haven't kept up.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #86
101. Exactly. Thank you. nt
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #86
120. ding!
not only that, but i have yet to see him use the bully pulpit at ALL, really...

they are ALL in it together, i am afraid...and we the people may just have to tear it down and rebuild it to make it better

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #32
81. +1
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #32
126. " I would like him... to squeeze congress passing a constitutional amendment " that says all i need
to know.

you expect something that has zero chance of happening. you really don't understand the reality of our situation.
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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #5
16. Haha that is such an old and beat up meme... find a new one
1.Killed Osama Bin Laden

2.Help overthrow Gaddafi

3.Saved the American Car Industry

4.Cut prescription drug cost for medicare recipients by 50%

5.Extended Benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees

6.Created more private sector jobs in 2010 than during entire Bush year

7.Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, giving the FDA the authority to regulate the manufacturing, marketing, and sale of tobacco for the first time

8.Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers

9.Signed the Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, which provides health care to 11 million kids -- 4 million of whom were previously uninsured


So listen I'll tell you what. Drop it. Find something else to bitch about.

Because if one thing is true is it is THIS. President Obama is a very. busy. President. Done. No more discussion.


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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #16
30. There are good things there but there's a whole lot..
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:06 PM by mvd
more that could have been done. Fight for a public option. Not caving to Repukes. Do more about the crooked bankers. Not sign the Patriot Act re-auth. Support more stimulus instead of focusing on defecit reduction. Close Guantanamo. No endless drone strikes. Not surround self with such corporate types. Now I say end of discussion; it would be pointless to get into it with you.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #16
36. Yeah, right, except for all the loopholes in all you list. Complete BS.
Except the taking of rights of smokers again. We should really demonize smokers and tokers and worship banks and insurance and wall street according to Obama's ways.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #16
50. no more discussion. stfu and so forth. watch out or the drones will get us nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #5
57. Sorry, I call bullshit. He passed three of his four jobs bills - why don't we hear more about that?
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9QGNLLO2.htm">Obama signs 3 trade deals, biggest since NAFTA

Obama's doing plenty.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. You think more NAFTA's are a good thing?
I rest my case.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. NAFTA has created even more US jobs than free trade with China.
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:39 PM by MannyGoldstein
I rest *my* case.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #63
82. BS. Both NAFTA and free trade with China are wrong and cost
Americans the value of their labor.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #82
92. I apologize - I was being sarcastic
I realize that it's hard to tell real from parody on DU these days, we get such weird *actual* opinions!

NAFTA, "free" trade with China, and all the rest are catastrophes.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #92
93. I'm so sorry Manny, I should've looked at who posted... I actually try not to
most of the time in order to keep me from responding to a person rather than their opinion. My bad, love ya'.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #61
65. Aw come on, you didn't call Manny a 1%. Must be slipping
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
13. But the corporations own Obama...
His words ring hollow when the corporations have the reigns of his presidency.

The healthcare bill was written by the healthcare conglomerates and preserved the profit-centric model
of healthcare in the US--further enriching the corporations.

BP was never truly held accountable, and we're still pussyfooting around about energy--while Obama
kow tows to the oil and energy companies. BP is a great example and so is GE. Immelt is one of
Obama's friends and Obama appointed him to a national jobs/economic panel.

So many Goldman Sachs boys are in the upper echelons of the White House. Wall Street owns our
government and I see NO reform that reigns in these big banks and attempts to prevent another
implosion. Those criminals banks are still trading derivatives, they've still got worthless
mortgage-backed securities on their balance sheets and they're still doing credit-default swaps.
They're making billions and billions. It's going to crash again, and Obama says nothing.

The military-industrial complex couldn't be happier with Obama. He's continued the PNAC plan
with seamless precision. Libya and now on to Syria and maybe Iran is next. It's all in the
neocon/PNAC plan and Obama says nothing about how corrupt and evil these bastards are--and how
they could give a damn about democracy and freedom--but only want to plunder the Middle East.

What about the tax code and the income disparity--that leaves the rich comfortable, the poor
completely destitute and the middle class--sliding down the hill? It's just getting worse!

I am tired of people wanting me to celebrate little crumbs of wimpy rhetoric, here and there--when it comes
to Obama and our causes. We all know that Obama can give a rousing speech and that he can stand
on the mountain top, raise his voice and bring an entire crowd to its knees. I was there many times
during the 2008 campaign. We have NONE of that from Obama when it comes to restoring our democracy,
and getting the corporations out of our government.

So, it's a bit of a stretch to get excited over a sentence or two that he might have said in the past, maybe.

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evrstrong Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #13
44. Couldn't have said it better.
We've been disappointed by Democrats before....it happens.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:53 PM
Response to Original message
18. Well, he didn't actually say that...
He said,

"The most important thing we can do right now is those of us in leadership letting people know that we understand their struggles and we are on their side, and that we want to set up a system in which hard work, responsibility, doing what youre supposed to do, is rewarded, Obama said. And that people who are irresponsible, who are reckless, who dont feel a sense of obligation to their communities and their companies and their workers that those folks arent rewarded."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Deleted message
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. Why do you continue to post the "insult" of being a 1%er? wtf?
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #27
38. Because just like the protesters are saying to police, either you're the 99%
or you're part of the problem, ie the 1% or worse yet a dedicated slave of the 1%.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. AH, and having a different opinion than you puts us in the "evil" camp? Dichotomous thinking there
I think it funny that the insult you come up with it "you are rich". Too funny.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:24 PM
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. Where did I call you a teabagger or repub? WHERE? Show me one place.
You can't. And you accuse me of lying.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #52
64. Y'all isn't a specific call out. It represents a general plural you as in those
trying to go after me. Not you specifically. Sorry if the twang threw you.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. If I have a different opinion or ask for proof, I am "trying to go after" you?


You accused me of calling you a tbagger and repub and now try to deflect the misunderstanding on to me. Incredible.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. Well you are hounding pretty much. So don't want the comparison, then
don't be that person.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. I "hound you" by asking questions and clarifications on a topic I started and you chose to
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:48 PM by uppityperson
reply to. I "hound you" by not letting your insults and one liners slide. I "hound you" by having a different opinion. On a topic I started and you chose to reply to.

Wow.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. Inconceivable!
Yeah, Princess Bride.

Well you posted an incomplete and wrong OP, in that you allow the appearance that Obama is decent in this regard, when the truth is, as shown by a poster below, that he meme is the same a Republicans, "personal accountability".

You know if you can't take some heat. If you can't do you own critical thinking and instead believe and repeat half truths and near lies to satisfy yourself, well that's not my problem.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #38
103. Ah, I see, and everyone there agrees on everything, yes?
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 01:20 AM by jberryhill

Because, after all, direct democracy is all about agreeing with official positions.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. Which is the right wing "individual responsibility" argument - which has absolutely nothing
to do with solidarity. Thank you.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #18
80. +1. the actual comment needs to be seen for what its worth. to be fair.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #18
87. He said a lot more also. I would hope people would go to links and read, maybe
I am hoping for too much.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:31 PM
Response to Original message
56. This is why
under Obama, things have turned around for the 99% - for the first time since the late 1970s, pay and benefits are increasing, while unemployment is dropping.

Likewise, the banks are being re-regulated, money and lobbyists have been driven out of politics, and pulsating lime-green unicorns are flying overhead, shitting Skittles(tm) like manna from heaven.

God bless this president!
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. Like I asked elsewhere... what is the plan for this newfangled system to reward people for their
hard work?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. That's where the Skittles(tm) come in
Those who work hard will receive more (unicorn) poop.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #62
69. LOL!!!
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:45 PM by CoffeeCat
OMG...that is hilarious!

Skittles are unicorn poop, huh?

I can't wait to tell my kids!

You made me snort! :rofl:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #62
72. Hah!
And those whose who are not good corporate citizens will retire with a single pay off equal to the annual income of 700,000 hard working unicorn poop recipients.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:48 PM
Response to Original message
74. Obama has said a lot of things.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:55 PM
Response to Original message
76. wouldnt obama had been briefed if homeland security was involved in orchestrating the raids?
serious question
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #76
104. No
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #76
111. Yes
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #76
113. Of course. n/t
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:59 PM
Response to Original message
78. You spoil sport
You just upset the disruptors and the emo progs.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #78
89. You got that right.
Between the angst ginned up over the president sending in the feds to crack down on OWS (per one poorly sourced, idiotic article from a non-reputable news outlet) and his "not being upset enough about Penn State" (yes, that was the topic of more than one utterly demented little thread today) the Outrage Machine may just blow a gasket.

One could only hope...
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #89
96. kaboom!
you are funny no. 23! :rofl:
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #78
100. EMO huh?
We're back to that?

How many times has President Obama mentioned OWS since that statement? What has he been willing to risk politically to KEEP "supporting" OWS?

If this is sport, President Obama's a nerd.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:14 PM
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:57 PM
Response to Original message
94. Thanks
rec
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:11 AM
Response to Original message
98. Yeah, but he said it in OCTOBER. Since then, how many times has he mentioned it?
How strong has his support been since that one statement?

What has he risked to KEEP supporting OWS?

Pretty words.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #98
106. So where is the goal post at? Does Obama have to say something once a week? Once a day? n/t
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #106
107. How about more than once?
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 01:46 AM by cherokeeprogressive
Is that too fucking much to ask for?

How about risking a little political capital, going out on a limb, and speaking about that which we believe HE believes in?

No pain; no gain. Conversely, no risk; no loss.

I forget sometimes that what's paramount to Him is being reelected.

He's gotta keep feeding the Dragon. That's what he was hired to do. That in mind, he'll NEVER risk offending the 1% again by siding with OWS. After all, he's joining the ranks of the 1% no later than 2017. Gotta feather that bed.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #107
109. I read he also said being reelected is not that important to him.
So, it's not THAT paramount to him.

But I also read he is going to go for it. (Duh)
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #106
110. Like a cuckoo clock

Every hour he has to pop out of the White House and read a list.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #106
117. So nothing has changed since October? No new beatings?
:eyes:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:14 AM
Response to Original message
112. Meanwhile, his Justice Department and Homeland Security are coordinating with mayors to bust up OWS.
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 03:15 AM by Marr
PR Obama says lots of nice things. President Obama is little more than a corporate lobbyist with a title.

Remember all the nice things PR Obama said about the "public option", as President Obama was maneuvering it into a ditch?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:16 PM
Response to Original message
114. If reports are accurate that the Feds helped coordinate the raids on
OWS sites, wow, that would be some neat way to express solidarity with the protesters. :patriot:
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:37 PM
Response to Original message
118. He's starting to out flip flop Romney. Today he says the cities should do what they think best to
OWS protests.
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Jim_Shorts Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 04:16 PM
Response to Original message
121. The only thing Obama redoubled was Homeland Security's efforts to take down OWS
This is not free speech to Obama


This is
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #121
123. Well said. nt
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. Yep. And I notice that the OP doesn't use a direct quote
there's no way that Obama will clearly stand up for the first amendment and align himself with OWS.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 08:54 PM
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127. Smart man My President
Smart mother fucker he is. He knows his hands are tied. Anyone with half a brain should be able to understand
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 03:21 AM
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131. Find that man a pair of shoes. Stat !
:rofl:
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