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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 10:34 AM
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The 1 percent celebrate. For now.
They overran Zuccotti Park, but stopping a movement gone viral won't be so easy

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Since September they have been deviled by a genuine mass movement that has stripped the facade off their democracy. The 1 percent could no longer deny that it was the reverse-Robin Hood system they had created that diverted wealth upward while denying tens of millions full-time employment and healthcare, leaving people mired in poverty, and homeless or in foreclosure.

Within a few weeks of the beginning of Occupy Wall Street the 1 percent had already lost the debate. The movement of the 99 percent has put a public face on extreme suffering in a land of extreme wealth.


http://www.salon.com/2011/11/16/the_1_celebrates_for_now/singleton

More at the link.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 10:39 AM
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1. So you're saying that the 1% are suppressing dissent...
...by cleaning up the park and then letting the protestors back in to continue dissenting? Pretty craft strategy.
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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 10:42 AM
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2. I'm saying people might want to read this article.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 10:54 AM
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5. ,,,and I'm saying the article is a little over the top...
Personally, I think the Financial Sector and the Republican Party are largely ignoring the protests as reflected by encampments. The pressure on the Occupy sites has come from local officials, mostly Democrats, dealing with local laws on property access, health, fare safety, traffic and related issues.

The big wigs ARE paying attenting to legitimate actions such as Bank Transfer Day, and the WILL pay attention to the impact of protestors on upcoming elections if the protestors organize themselves (like the Tea Party did) and work to elect candidates that support them.

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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:04 AM
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8. Would that be Democratic Party candidates?

Because truthfully, I don't think you're gonna see that. And if ya do it will be an attempt to coopt else the movement will have already lost any relevance and it won't matter. The Democratic Party is fully supportive of the capitalists and capitalism is the problem.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:11 AM
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9. In which case, HOW exactly are the Protestors going to achieve change?
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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:39 AM
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13. Stepwise. "We make the road by walking."
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:51 AM
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15. Thanks for an aphorism that tells me nothing
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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:52 AM
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16. Study history for clues.
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 11:55 AM by PETRUS
And I can help interpret the quote for you. It suggests that circumstances change, and the details of a long effort cannot be accurately described in advance.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:05 PM
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17. By growing the movement into a national mass organization.

It should be quite clear by now that we are achieving nothing at the ballot box. Both parties live on the false assumption that they are the only alternative. Therefore politics by other means are required.
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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:35 PM
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18. That's it.
I would concentrate on education and outreach for now, which seem to be the themes anyway.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:13 PM
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19. and those "other means" would be what?
We live in a political structure governed by a Constitution that determines how policy decisions are made. If you assume that you'll be using this political structure, then you need to get people elected who will support your policies. If you assume you're replacing this political structure, I'd really like to understand what you're thinking of.
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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:14 AM
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10. I gathered that's what you meant.
And while I am strongly supportive of OWS, I have to admit the opening paragraph ("Right now in executive suites, political chambers and police command centers the 1 percent are cheering. They are slapping backs, grinning from ear to ear and bursting with delight.") is just colorful speculation.

But most of the rest of the article is pretty sober.

The PTB are NOT ignoring the protests. (The signs are there that it bothers them, although I'm not in a position to gauge how fearful they are.) But nor have the protests forced any real changes. That's not surprising. The protests have taken aim at a big target. Even narrow issue-oriented protests don't achieve policy victories quickly.

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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 10:45 AM
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3. Well, it's a more controlled form of dissent, ala "1st Amendment zones"
Whereas what was there before was not controlled or condoned by the offical power structure.
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backtoblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 10:50 AM
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4. Does cleaning include
the destruction of electrical devices, tents, sleeping bags, etc.? The protesters didn't even get a chance to take their possessions, as their camp was raided in the early morning hours.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 10:55 AM
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6. +1
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:02 AM
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7. +++++
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:14 AM
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11. Cleaning also requires you remove the freedom of the press.
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 11:14 AM by redqueen
And also close the airspace so not even news copters can cover it.
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RandiFan1290 Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:45 AM
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14. You mocked OWS from the start
and said they wouldn't last through the weekend (9/17/11)

Since then it's spread all over the world. :hi:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:25 AM
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12. This article was written by an Occupy Wall Street Journal co-founder
At the end of the article is this:

Arun Gupta, a New York writer and co-founder of Occupy the Wall Street Journal, is reporting for Salon from occupation sites all over the United States
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