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apples and oranges Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:11 PM
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Tea Party Edges Out Occupy Wall Street for Public Favor
Tea Party Edges Out Occupy Wall Street for Public Favor

The Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street -- fairly or unfairly pegged as the yin and yang of American political discourse -- have flip-flopped in the polls. A month ago, polls were showing twice as much support for the anti-inequality protesters in Zuccotti Park, but a poll out Wednesday from Public Policy Polling finds that the Tea Party now edges out the Occupiers in public affection.

sked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.


http://news.yahoo.com/tea-party-edges-occupy-wall-street-public-favor-183504470.html

:wow: :banghead:
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:14 PM
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1. Repeal Obamacare!; Cut Taxes!
As fringe as the Tea Party may be, everyone understands what there core policy demands are.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:43 PM
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20. Restore Glass Steagal
Pardon Student Debt

Medicare for all...

Just don't expect the propaganda outlets to tell you this.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:15 PM
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2. Bullshit.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:16 PM
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3. Excellent rebuttal. Thanks. (nt)
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:39 PM
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18. +1111
Stinks like BS to me, too.
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:16 PM
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4. May the protests get BIGGER, then! OWS doesn't need to be liked --
they need to be HEARD -- LOUDLY...

Go occupiers, everywhere!!!

:party::party::party::party::party::party:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:18 PM
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5. this particular *poll* seems to be quite the wondrous object today
meme of the week to marginalize OWS, and possible objections to the DOJ/DHS orders put out to squelch the movement?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:19 PM
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9. That's my thought. Too many random coincidences. n/t
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:21 PM
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12. You noticed that too...
:)
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 01:11 AM
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28. ding!
weren;t we just reading an OP about Conintelpro? ya... sounds like it to me too
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:18 PM
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6. I sense some perception management
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 02:22 PM by CJCRANE
by the Teabaggerati.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:18 PM
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7. bullshit
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:19 PM
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8. Public Policy Polling did some good work in the past but this is moronic
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 02:38 PM by autorank
Oh, right, The Tea Party is identified with the Republicans in Congress and Congress has a 10% approval/83% disapproval.

The poll is full o shit period.

"This poll was not paid for or authorized by any campaign or
political organization. PPP surveys are conducted through automated telephone
interviews. PPP is a Democratic polling company, but polling expert Nate Silver of the
New York Times found that its surveys in 2010 actually exhibited a slight bias toward
Republican candidates."

Public Policy Polling
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_US_11161023.pdf

Just asked this question on the Public Policy Polling blog:



There are no definitions of either the Tea Party or OWS, hence you have people who know nothing or little about the
movements asked about them. It would be more interesting to know how people reacted to the goals of each group.

Waste o time poll and one can now wonder WTF this group is up to.

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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 11:07 AM
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24. there seems to be some exuberant pushers of this poll here on DU, too.
It's very telling as you watch this suddenly pop up all over the place.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 12:59 AM
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25. I left another reply
My first asked who paid for the poll. They said nobody other than them, PPP, from their profits. Of course, their profit are predominantly
from Democratic candidates.

Here's the second comment that i made. They didn't respond.

The current PPP poll offers no real reason to think that support for the Occupy Wall Street movement is fading. In fact, it looks like an outlier.

OWS

The PPP poll looks like an outlier. Here's why.

PPP: Do you support or oppose the goals of the Occupy Wall Street movement? Support 33%, Oppose 45%. Not sure 22%

The "support" figure was lower than a late October CBS poll, 1,650 respondents, two weeks before the 800 respondent PPP poll.

The Oct 25 CBS poll the question posed was "Agree with Occupy Wall Street Movement?" Yes 43%, No 27%, Don't Know 30%

TEA PARTY

PPP's Tea party rating is through the roof. On Aug 11, Gallup found: Support 26%, Oppose 29%, No opinion 46%

PPP showed 42% Approve,, 45% Oppose, 13% Not sure

So, in the course of just 15 days or so, approval gathered 62% over Gallup, disapprove was up 55%, and don't know/not sure dropped by a factor of three.

This about sums it up for the Tea party. The New York Times, Aug 17, reported on an extensive analysis of polling data that found that: "the tea party is "less popular than much maligned groups like 'atheists' and 'Muslims.'" I seriously doubt that 'atheists' have a greater than 43% approval rating.

This poll is difficult to accept as being even close to actual public sentiment.

Posted by: Michael Collins | November 17, 2011 at 03:37 AM

With wacked out numbers like this, they're definitely shilling for the man.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 01:24 AM
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30. PPP is owned by a wealthy 1% businessman CEO named Dean Debnam. nt
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 01:11 PM
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32. THANK YOU!!!
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:19 PM
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10. fwiw
What accounted for the shift? PPP's Tom Jensen says it doesn't reflect Americans not being concerned about income inequality (just look at how much more the U.S. is interested in the issue recently). So, it's anyone's guess. But the sustained confrontations in Oakland (which some compared more to a riot than a protest), and the New York Post-spurred daily reports of Zuccotti Park mischief, couldn't have helped. However, since the PPP survey showing "fading" favor toward OWS was conducted on November 10-13th, before the NYPD served an eviction notice on Zuccotti Park.

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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:19 PM
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11. The vast majority of polls place the Tea Party's favorability in the 20's.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:25 PM
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13. You never hear anything about the TP lately.
People have forgotten them. They have short memories. It's okay. We carry on.
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HappyMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 04:20 PM
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22. No they haven't forgotten them.
Just because you don't hear about them, or see them everywhere, does not mean they no longer exist. Most of the repub candidates for president are tp.
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Saving Hawaii Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 01:22 AM
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29. And they've got about the same chance of becoming the next President as I do.
Edited on Fri Nov-18-11 01:22 AM by Saving Hawaii
Or the King of England for that matter.

Edit: Probably better odds on becoming the King of England.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:25 PM
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14. Push-poll.
The corporate media isn't measuring, but trying to influence public opinion here.
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:26 PM
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15. Horse puckey!!!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:28 PM
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16. I call bullsh*t on that poll also. The tparty doesn't get
2-3 thousand in a group at a time.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:05 PM
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17. Wow! Unbelievable....
literally!

Too bad I don't trust the Corporate media, isn't it?
Too bad for them!

Also too sad that enough out there who might believe this....
which is all the corporate media needs 1/2 of the time;
enough folks who will believe their bullshit and be swayed by it.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 03:41 PM
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19. I see the media drumbeat... err propaganda
is working... it is what it is
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 04:02 PM
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21. All the public sees is OWS squatting in local parks and fighting with cops
This is what happens when your entire plan of action is to camp out in a public place and play bongo drums. People may initially agree with the anger and grievances you express, but that solidarity disappears when they realize that you don't have specific demands or unified leadership or a strategy for participating meaningfully in the political process. Once people conclude that your protests aren't going to evolve into a disciplined political movement that will actually change the way things work, they start to get bored with you, and eventually they get tired of the clashes with cops and the constant allegations of criminality and the disruption to their neighborhoods and they just want the whole thing to go away.
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HappyMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 05:13 PM
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23. Yeah, there's that. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 01:08 AM
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26.  There were 32K people on the street in New York today
and you're complaining?

That's hilarious and so is any poll that says the tea klan has more support than Occupy Wall Street.



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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 01:09 AM
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27. That's because the teabaggers were funded and supported by
the establishment politicians and corporations. And they had the full support of the media too. The TP was no "disciplined political movement"...they simply didn't want to change anything. It's pretty easy to get that done!

OWS gets nothing but negative coverage from the media because OWS is protesting all their corporate owners and big corporate sponsors.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 01:26 AM
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31. Here from local indie
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/7905

By the way I did out scoop the MSM on a few things.

And what is my lovely local media doing INSTEAD of showing this?

In fact, to my shock FOX six, local network, is actually more balanced.

But serious, you are seeing counter insurgency in action
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