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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:21 PM
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Bachmann whining about 'Lyin' Ass Bitch'
Cuz repugs would never call anyone bitch (cough..Hillary..cough). At campaign stops in 2008, McCain followers would step up to a mic to call Hillary a bitch. McCain never once stopped them, or told them not to say it. No one ever demanded an apology from anyone. The difference is, one was an instrumental version of a song with an offensive name, the other was calling someone a bitch on camera and a crowd laughing about it.

http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-fallon-song-choice-shows-sexism-bias-165708397.html
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:22 PM
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1. Well, Michele had a perfect opportunity to complain on the show
I wonder why she didn't?
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:23 PM
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She probably didn't recognize the song, I know I wouldn't. nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:30 PM
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4. Then she was insulted by proxy?
Such a sensitive soul. I wonder if all of us need to apologize to Crazy Eyes?
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:35 PM
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5. I don't consider myself a sensitive soul, personally I would
be happy if most women were offended by songs like "Lyin' Ass Bitch".
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:38 PM
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8. +1
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:41 PM
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12. That being rather beside the point, but . . .
If, for example, you flipped me off behind my back and we both went our separate ways, what would be the harm? I suppose some busybody who saw the exchange could come running up to me to say, "Oooh, sufrommich flipped you off when you weren't looking!" In the abstract (like in the context of this post), I hope I would just shrug it off. If I was in a weird mood, I might say to the busybody, "Oh, hahaha, that's our thing." If you and I were frequent acquaintances or even friends, I suppose I might ask you about it later. But most likely, I'd just forget about it, which I think is the adult thing to do.

And that may be the most likely explanation for this nontroversy to be continuing.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:54 PM
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14. A better analogy would be that you flipped me off on
national TV show and although I didn't see it, millions did. After I get off the stage someone says to me "Hey,gratuitous flipped you off" and a little later Fox News asks me what I think of that. Don't get me wrong,Bachmann will play this for all it's worth, but it was a bad,childish decision to use a misogynistic song to begin with, just because it was used againt someone I don't like doean't make it OK.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:04 PM
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:07 PM
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Huge double standard here...
If it had been played for Hillary would your response be "Well, she isn't a jerk!" so she can be angry!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:20 PM
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27. If it had happened to Hillary Clinton
I'm guessing that Hillary Clinton, when it was brought to her attention, would have passed it off without another mention. Some of her supporters would no doubt be offended on her behalf, but my opinion of Ms. Clinton is that such sophomoric antics barely register with her. Certainly she's been on the receiving end of much worse. If there is a double standard, it's the difference between the reactions of Ms. Clinton and Ms. Bachmann to the slights each has received.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:29 PM
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35. Hillary Clinton certainly did speak out against sexism in
politics and I doubt she was speaking for democrats only.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:56 PM
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52. Yes she did.
I hope it wasn't a completely wasted effort.

By all appearances, though...
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:16 PM
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22. So if something racist was said (or sung) as long as it was
directed at someone who was politically reprehensible it would be OK? Every woman on the planet doesn't take on the insult, that doesn't mean one has to stay silent about it either.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:06 PM
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19. Good point. I wonder what the response would be if they played
"He's A Lyin' A Hole" or some such type song for one of the male candidates...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:12 PM
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21. The struggle would be finding a similar song re: men.
:shrug:
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:17 PM
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24. Yep, a widely known and apparently popular one at that. nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:25 PM
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30. Yeah, none exist
Not like "You're So Vain," or "Before He Cheats," or "Diamonds and Rust." Those can hardly be mentioned in the same breath with the wildly popular Fishbone song that I'll bet not 10 people at DU had heard of before last night.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:18 PM
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25. No it wouldn't
"Asshole" by Denis Leary.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:24 PM
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29. Not a gender-specific insult. (nt)
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:29 PM
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34. Women are almost never called assholes.
Edited on Wed Nov-23-11 04:31 PM by ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Yet men are called bitches on occasion
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:33 PM
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40. It is quite a stretch
to compare a song about a proud asshole to one about a lyin ass bitch, who is also a slut (but of course nobody's supposed to know the full extent of the sexism in the song, of course).
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:37 PM
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44. The song is obscure
Unlike Asshole, which is pretty much a parody of how men at that time were obnoxious (which I know you have stated you absolutely do not care about....men's issues I mean.....just pointing it out.)

I never heard of Lyin' Ass Bitch until yesterday, and I listened to a fair amount of Fishbone and Reel Big Fish in college.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:38 PM
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:22 PM
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2. Aaah politics,ain't it wonderful?
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:23 PM
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3. If the shoe fits...
:shrug:
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:36 PM
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7. ...buy 100 pairs!!!
No wait, that'd be Sarah Palin.
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:35 PM
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6. My response at Yahoo
"People who live in glass houses..........." Looks like someone can dish it out but runs crying when someone does it to her. Someone should play it at every event of hers from now on. Park a "thumper" nearby and let it rip.

Isn't it funny that there are claims of sexism coming from someone who longs for the times when sexism was rampant in our society.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:39 PM
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10. +1 She and Santorum get what they deserve. n/t
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SomethingFishy Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:38 PM
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9. Oh please.. someone had to tell her she was insulted.
As is the standard with Bachmann, she had no fucking idea what was going on.



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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:40 PM
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11. I have always thought of her as a 'Lyin' Ass Bitch'
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:44 PM
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13. Bachmann and Palin ... separated at birth.



Failin used every opportunity she could to attempt to capitalize on a perceived insult.

Her faux indignation actually got to be humorous after several repeated occurrences.



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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:56 PM
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15. By complaining she is letting the whole world know it was done. She should have just let it go.
Why draw attention to bad publicity?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:07 PM
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20. By complaining she's also letting the whole world know
about the kinds of sexist abuse that's hurled at female politicians.

This is (or should be) a bipartisan issue.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:21 PM
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28. ....a female politican....
....who'd set female issues back 500 years.

I find it awesomely ironic.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:28 PM
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32. It doesn't matter, that's like saying it's OK to use the "N" word
as long as it's used against african americans who "deserve" it..
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:29 PM
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33. Michelle Bachmann will do more harm to women than The Roots ever will
Edited on Wed Nov-23-11 04:32 PM by ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Sorry if you don't agree.

You're analogy was also horrid. Try again. Don't ask why, just figure it out.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:31 PM
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37. Both harm women, it's not an either/or choice. nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:31 PM
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38. It's not awesome in any way.
We all seem to notice that racism is wrong. We can all agree about that.

Sexism, though? Most people refuse to even see it, let alone acknowledge that it's wrong.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:34 PM
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41. Keep carrying water...
...for a politican who hates you and all that you stand for with every fiber of her being while co-opting your cause for her own agenda.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:35 PM
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42. So anyone who speaks out against any hypothetical racist attacks on Cain
is carrying water for him?

This has nothing to do with Bachmann, and everything to do with people refusing to fight sexism.

People apparently are capable of understanding that racism is wrong, full stop.

With sexism, apparently they want a little wiggle room.

Well guess what? No. You don't get it. It is wrong. Full stop.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:41 PM
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48. Wrong
First, Cain claims racism when there is none there. I have seen no racist attack against him.

Bachmann cares more about being called a liar than a bitch. She pretty much said so. It's all part of her media warfare......all because she hopes to get elected to an office where she can start stripping you of your rights left and right.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:57 PM
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53. Key word: "hypothetical" (nt)
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:12 PM
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55. I don't see it as sexist quite the way you do-- what I do see is..
a childish prank demeaning the concept of running for office.

As I said elsewhere in this thread, the current clown car needs no help demeaning the race, but even though we've said worse about her here and in other forums, a public appearance, even on a nighttime comedy show, demands at least some respect. No matter who the candidate is.





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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:25 PM
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57. The word "quite" confuses me here. Do you not think it's sexist?
For me this is only marginally about Bachmann; it's more about the kind of sexist BS that female politicians have to put up with.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:32 PM
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58. Not really. I would if I thought they came up with that because they wanted to...
attack her for being a woman. Seems more likely they wanted to insult her for being a jerk, regardless of her gender.

It's still a lousy cheap shot, though, for whatever reason.



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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:39 PM
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47. Holy cow, do you think feminists should look the other way
if the right type of woman is attacked using sexist language??
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:42 PM
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49. She is completely insincere
That woman would sell your rights away in a heartbeat.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:44 PM
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50. I don't frikkin' care if she insincere, it's not about her. What don't
you understand about that?
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:44 PM
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51. Too late
She's made it about her.

Enjoy.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:57 PM
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 03:58 PM
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17. Ask Rick Santorum about word association
She'd be wise to let it go.
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:31 PM
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36. BWAH!! +1000000 n/t
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Raven Lunatic Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:17 PM
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23. "Bat-Shit Crazy" is still under copyright
;P
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:19 PM
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26. Sounds like it is getting too hot in the kitchen for batshit crazy liars
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:28 PM
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31. There is no bigger group of whiners than the tea party.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:32 PM
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39. she should
I know, I know, she IS a lying ass bitch but that was a cheap shot. A skillful interview is a better way of determining she is a lying ass bitch.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:07 PM
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54. Cheap shot-- yeah that's it...
and while one could say the whole Republican clown car this year demeans the Presidency, after the sniggling cheap shots like this just lower the bar even more.

This was a public appearance by a candidate for the Presidency. Whether we all think she's batshit crazy or not, it's just not right to pull a cheap shot like this on anyone in that position.



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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:13 PM
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56. CORRECT
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savalez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:36 PM
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43. Romney's mad too - because that was his song.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 01:16 PM
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61. His is actually "Who let the dogs out!" Woof Woof.
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SmittynMo Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:37 PM
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45. So what's the problem here?
LMAO.... and yes, she didn't know the song. She does now!!!! I still don't see a problem
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Tom Ripley Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:55 PM
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59. Marcus is the one who really pitched a hissy fit. He had been promised "It's Raining Men"
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-11 01:10 PM
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60. If they played the song for Warren, we would be talking about how bad the
Jimmy Fallon show is.
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