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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:20 AM
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Can America be saved??
Is it really as bad as some people seem to think?

Shouldn't we all be more optimistic?

Shouldn't we all have more faith in our leaders?

Are you pessimistic or optimistic about our leaders fixing our economy and putting people back to work?

Why do you feel that way?

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:20 AM
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1. There may be hope for a couple of the six or so different countries
...that arise out of the Empire's collapse.

If we're lucky.
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thaddeus_flowe Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 02:52 AM
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16. Interesting, in Slaughter-House 5
Vonnegut too predicted the balkanization of the states.


And then again, he also predicted a Hydrogen bomb detonating over Chicago...
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:21 AM
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2. was there ever a time America was as great as people talk about?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:23 AM
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3. If someone shows some real responsibility and wants to deal with
the baggage of the GWB years er...gross. Sounds like a horrible job. Someone has to come along and save us. Did Capitan Planet retire?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:27 AM
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5. Repubs and Dems need to realize and understand the scope....
of the damage from the Bush years, I would agree.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:29 AM
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6. It seems like the whole country is still in shock from those years.
Like the Reagan years on some bad acid.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:29 AM
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7. That is a very good description, Rex.
Right on the head of the nail.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:27 AM
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4. This nation has never atoned, so no. nt
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 12:31 AM by mix
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:31 AM
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8. No. Because the people who are elected to fix the mess seem to think that they have to fix it...
in a way that pleases those who made the mess by doing what they wanted.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:34 AM
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9. "America" is an idea. Ideas cannot die. It's the USA that cannot be saved.
"America" will rise again from the ashes of the USA....someday.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:34 AM
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10. Can lies be the TRUTH? n/t
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:38 AM
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11. I think our political class (and the people who own them)
have, for the most part, become completely disconnected from the rest of us. Their concerns are no longer our concerns. Their reality is not our reality.

I have no faith in our leaders anymore

It doesn't bode well for the future - I think historians will look back and see the Bush years as the trigger marking the decline of the USA as a first tier world power. Outside of our military, that is - which is the most frightening thing of all - an empire in decline, rotting from within, teetering toward fascism (the friendly sort, of course) - that still is the world's preeminent military power
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:43 AM
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12. exactly, thanks for articulating what I ...
was thinking.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:48 AM
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13. I know what you mean...
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 12:56 AM by kentuck
I think historians will look back and see the Bush years as the final step in the decline of America. I think the Reagan years will be seen as the catalyst for the Bush years. Thirty years of decline for average working people, with the huge credit and debt scams - from credit cards to easy mortgages - and the huge transfer of wealth to the very top.

With the successful selling of the "global economy" theory, they were able to win a long-sought capitalist dream, low labor around the world.

(on edit) Or perhaps historians will see the Obama years as the final step of decline? America needed a strong leader to lead us away from the abyss, and to bring justice and fairness back to our country. Those that pull the strings have effectively divided the Democratic leaders from the Republican leaders, and vice-versa, and so long as they have their division, they control the world....the whole world.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:09 AM
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14. I chose Bush as the trigger because the election was stolen
we could have gone a different way if that hadn't happened...

I think Obama will be seen as a weak President who could have reversed the tide instead of being co-opted by it

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:10 AM
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15. That is true.
I tend to agree.
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