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Segami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:04 AM Original message |
BREAKTHROUGH Promises $1.50 Per Gallon Synthetic Gasoline With NO CARBON EMISSIONS |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. raise your hand if you believe the oil corporations are gonna go for this lol nt |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I was just thinking I hope the "secret recipe" is sequestered in a safe place. nt |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
2. phew... |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. LMAO!!!!! |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
60. But it's got lots of scientificky sounding words |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
4. What do you guys think? |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Curious about how micon-sized capsules would flow |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Well, that makes sense. I'd love to see this turn out to really be a success. nt |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
37. Should be just fine. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. Agree on the carbon footprint. I also want to see energy balance calculations. nt. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
50. No carbon emissions? So what is it emitting in C's place? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Its a hydrogen fuel right? So the exhaust is essentially water or water vapor.. |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Hydrogen is technically energy transport, not a fuel. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Technically perhaps but practically its still a fuel. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. I agree with your observation. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Excellent observations. I want to see their energy balance calculations. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Energy source for eletrolysis need not be carbon-based - could be photoelectric. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. The question is what elements make up the non-carbon backbone. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Here is more on the composite material... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Thanks for the info. I can think of several ways for managing the ash. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Look like they start with non carbon containing molecules, then enrich them with hydrogen, |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Who cares? It's free energy. Were all gonna get rich! n/t |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
62. Hydrogen richness likely means that it is either gaseous or a light fluid. nt |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
61. Energy balance calculations need to be made. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
6. Well, I won't hold my breath. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
7. " ... our unique patented proce$$ ... " |
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Maine_Nurse (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 02:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. After the oil companies lobby for the import tax... |
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NewMoonTherian (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. But if the other claims are true... |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Green should be cheaper rather than more expensive than dirty since dirty passes along costs to the |
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NewMoonTherian (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 12:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
79. I'm not sure what you mean. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:51 AM Original message |
Time for another production of Mamet's "The Water Engine" |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
9. Dupe |
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patrick t. cakes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
10. Stephen Voller... |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
11. If this works, I wonder how long till Big Oil tries to kill it |
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joeunderdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
45. or kill him. |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
13. This is a new hydrogen transport and storage mechanism, not a primary energy breakthrough |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 03:49 AM Response to Original message |
14. While hydrides could be used as a fuel source, it doesn't address the biggest problem with Hydrogen. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Is that what dirigibles needed? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
70. It is possible to make small quantities of molecular hydrogen via reaction of chemicals. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Ah. Just great, huh? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I left out solar and wind energy. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:48 AM Response to Original message |
15. back in the 70's they said nuclear power would practically eliminate your electricity bill |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. And that is relevant to the topic how? |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
51. It ain't - he's just having a Reagan moment. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Well, gee, look at you bein' all snarky |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #59 |
83. So I did the Raygun impression well? |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
56. The pricing estimate. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
58. It's talking about reducing energy costs |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 05:35 AM Response to Original message |
16. My son was involved with this research |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Thank you for this information! |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. seriously? How incredibly cool for him! |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
44. Thanks - you report it better than 'gizmag' does |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
54. Hope he is successful with his new research on using nuke waste for fuel.. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 07:35 AM Response to Reply #54 |
80. The concept has already been proven |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Sounds great. Hope it all works out. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
71. Thank you for the information. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #71 |
81. My son is a materials scientist |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
18. Our precious automobiles! They're saved! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
20. How much carbon is released making the fuel? (nt) |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
21. THIS? Would be a bigger game-changer than any current war. Recommend Post #16 before you snark. |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
25. My Aunt |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
27. You know this guy will disappear... ! |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
28. "a future transportation fuel with a stable price" |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
30. Why does the word Ponzi keep flashing in my mind? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
31. So where do these "complex hydrides" come from? |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Start with a basic Hydride: H2O, break it down into Hydrogen and Oxygen... |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. It takes alot energy to split H2O.. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. That's my point, sorry for not being clear |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. You were clear.. I just didnt read your whole post.. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. If you just look at it as a better way to store and utillize hydrogen then yes that makes sense.. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Usually done with electricity |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Yeah, and electricity is mostly coal produced at the moment. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
53. They come from the complex hidrides islands. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
32. How much energy is used, how much pollution released, in making this fuel? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Yeah, that's the big question.. the article is absent critical details like that.. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
35. Here more detail on the production process.. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. "cannot be easily re-hydrided or chemically recycled" seems the big problem, to me |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Yeah, sounds like sensational science "journalism" again |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. The article did mention they are working on other hydride materials that can be recycled.. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
43. Look for this to be on the market in 50 years |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
47. While it may be good news for the environment. It will still result in traffic gridlock... |
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thesush (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
76. . |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
77. If it's real it will be locked away behind lawsuits for decades. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-27-11 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
78. K&R |
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KansasVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
84. I bet I read 500 of these stories for everyone that actually makes it to market. Skeptical. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
85. POODLES! Thread is over 24hrs...can't rec |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
86. Misleading/incorrect OP: "NO CARBON EMISSIONS" think again! |
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