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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:58 AM
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I have never been so ashamed to be called a democrat as I am today...

I just read about the democrats in the senate wimping out of filibuster reform.. they are afraid of what will happen if the republicans get control in 2012 if they manage to peel away a few moderate dems to their side.. Do democrats no longer have faith in their own ideas??? With the filibuster gone there would be a real test of who is right about the issues.. Politicians could no longer hide behind arcane rules to tie up reform.. Ideas would go into affect.. for good or bad.. BUT they WOULD happen and we would see whose ideas are best.. I believe the republicans ideas lead to depressions and bad economic times.. and that most of the democratic ideas would lead to better times and economic justice ( which is why the republicans are afraid of them and want to use the filibuster rules to tie them up).. When oh when will we get more democrats with the balls to put their votes behind their ideas????
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:04 AM
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1. It is a very sad day for what was once the Democratic party.....
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:04 AM
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2. When do Democrats even use the filibuster?
Seems like its primarily a Republican tool for obstruction more than anything.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:08 AM
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6. We used it literally hundreds of times against Bush between 2000 and 2006 (nt)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:01 AM
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25. They don't -- when they even threaten to use it, GOP goes nuts and they back down....
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:05 AM
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3. The Republicans WILL get control of the Senate in 2012. Numbers are against the Democrats.
With 23 Democratic seats up and only 10 Republican and they only need a net gain of 3, there goes the Senate.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:10 AM
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8. Do you think the Republicans will keep the filibuster rules as they are now if/when
they get a majority?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:20 AM
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14. They might because they know how to use it when they are the minority.
I don't think they fear Democrats having it.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:35 AM
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19. They might but that was a very good question.
Hanging onto the filibuster now does nothing to guarantee that it will still be around after 2 years.
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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:43 AM
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21. The republicasn will NEVER change the filibuster rules...
Why should they???.. They work so well for them when THEY are in charge. They get what the want any way.. So why give the democrats power for when they are in charge???
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:12 AM
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9. They WILL if others give up as it appears you have.
Are you psychic?

Republicans are currently less popular than canker sores. Is something going to change in the next 18 months?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:19 AM
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12. Nope, just a realist who believes in math. The numbers are simply too big.
You hardly have to be psychic to predict that the Republicans will have a net gain of at least 3 seats. You do, however, have to live in reality.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:22 AM
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15. So your advice is to give up now, 2 years out?
That's just fucking stupid.

Why do you even bother to post on DU if that's your tude? What value are you providing our community?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:04 AM
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26. Could you please point out in my posts where I said to give up?
Can't do it, can you? So who is fucking stupid now?
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Lurks Often Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:11 AM
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28. Not psychic, realistic
or have you forgotten the loss of the House so soon?

From Wikipedia:

Republicans gained a net 63 seats from Democrats and retook control of the chamber they had lost in the 2006 midterm elections, erasing the gains Democrats made in 2006 and 2008 and picked up additional seats, making it the highest total House victory for a single party since 1948 and the highest of any midterm election since 1938.[
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:20 AM
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13. They have effective control now.
Without simple majority rule in the U.S. Senate, the Repuglicans can block any legislation proposed by the Democrats.

So, now the Democrats will become the "party of no" as they block or vote down every extreme spending cut bill that comes over from the House. Mark my words, that is how the Repuglicans, the Teabaggers and the mainstream corporate media will spin what is about to develop in Congress.

So, the nearsighted Senate Democrats will get the worst of both worlds because of their timidity: accused of obstructing deficit reduction for the next tow years and formally losing their control in 2012.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:08 AM
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27. Exactly, and when Dems have the numbers they turn their power over to the Repugs....
The Repugs are in control of Congress whether they're the majority or the minority --

we've been saying this for two decades now! Longer!

Sen. George Mitchell with Democratic Senate turned it completely over to Sen. Bob Dole!

Obama with a huge mandate and a GOP which was shattered, rescued them -- and pushed

their agenda to the detriment of the American public -- that's how we got the GOP "deform"

health care instead of MEDICARE FOR ALL -- back room deals with Big Pharma and PRIVATE

health care industry! Billions in business contracts for corporations from the Stimulus!

New attacks on public education by Obama/Dundan -- pushing Charter Schools!!

Now -- instead of the Republican party having collapsed, Obama is completely destroying

any faith that may be left in the Democratic Party -- and if we have another two years

of Obama and Wall Street reign we will possibly fall into complete depression!


Change for 2012 -- !! Move Obama out and someone like Bernie Sanders in to run on the

Dem ticket !!

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:06 AM
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4. democrats are in the minority to the repubs, repub-lites, and teabaggers nt
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:07 AM
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5. Elected Democrats, as a collective, DO NOT have the courage of their convictions.
nt


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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:09 AM
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7. Hmmm I wonder where the wishy washy, flip floppy terms came
from?
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:17 AM
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10. At this point nothing and I mean NOTHING of substance will come out of the house so...
no reason to change it now.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:18 AM
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11. Do you have a link? Did we "wimp out," or not have the votes?
Thanks.
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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:29 AM
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16. Link ya asked for
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:00 AM
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24. Thanks.
Sounds like they didn't have the votes.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:31 AM
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17. There have been more of those sad days than I can count
since the Dems wimped out in the face of Reagan's "reforms."
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littlewolf Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:35 AM
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18. self delete - dupe link
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 10:36 AM by littlewolf
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:41 AM
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20. Democrats
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:45 AM
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22. Your concern is duly noted.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:59 AM
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23. What's the point of getting rid of the filibuster when it gets stuck in the House anyway?
Maybe for judicial appts but beyond that getting what we want legislatively is pretty unrealistic.

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